Favourite SPA Moments

[wnut]

Originally Posted by Mr V

Lewis didn't cheat, but he did gain an unfair advantage, but it's 2 years ago, lets move on!

Yet it is quite acceptable to bring up the perceived wrongs of Schumacher 17 years after they happened!

When is gaining an unfair advantage not cheating?

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by wnut

Yet it is quite acceptable to bring up the perceived wrongs of Schumacher 17 years after they happened!

When is gaining an unfair advantage not cheating?

When the 'unfair' advantage is gained through technical advantage or excellence in preparation as in Roger Penske's 'unfair advantage' in US racing in various seasons between 1965 and the end of that century.

Whether Mr Hamilton gained an 'unfair' advantage or not depends on your view depends on your view of the situation and whether or not the stewards were correct in their decision.

The fact that the team had approached the race director (Mr Whiting)and had received affirmation that they were OK and that there was no need to allow Mr Raikonnen back past could suggest that they in fact were unfairly penalised.....

Its all water under the bridge now anyway and we all have a personal opinion on it. It doesn't (can't) change anything officially but will always remain a blot in many peoples minds on either side of the decision.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by wnut

Yet it is quite acceptable to bring up the perceived wrongs of Schumacher 17 years after they happened!

When is gaining an unfair advantage not cheating?

Ralf being left up on the jacks isn't likely to take over the thread, Lewis, Kimi, Felipe Spa 2008 is - simples!

[Dan Fielden]

I cant believe i forgot Frentzens 4th place grid position in the prost in 2001!!!

Followed the day after by Burtis near fatal incident with Irvine. Sad race moment i admit but what a lap from frentzen in qually. Its a shame he stalled on the parade lap

[Dan Fielden]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

When the 'unfair' advantage is gained through technical advantage or excellence in preparation as in Roger Penske's 'unfair advantage' in US racing in various seasons between 1965 and the end of that century.

Whether Mr Hamilton gained an 'unfair' advantage or not depends on your view depends on your view of the situation and whether or not the stewards were correct in their decision.

The fact that the team had approached the race director (Mr Whiting)and had received affirmation that they were OK and that there was no need to allow Mr Raikonnen back past could suggest that they in fact were unfairly penalised.....

Its all water under the bridge now anyway and we all have a personal opinion on it. It doesn't (can't) change anything officially but will always remain a blot in many peoples minds on either side of the decision.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by wnut

When is gaining an unfair advantage not cheating?

Adelaide 1994 it would seem.

[Born Racer]

2008- an enthralling last few laps. Forget edge of the seat. This was jumping around in front of the TV set stuff. A top win by Hamilton (yes). Well, it wasn't Massa, was it?

1998 was a cracker. That Fisi-Nakano accident looked pretty horrible though. The initial pile-up was the biggest pile-up I've seen (bigger than Silverstone 1973?).

Hakkinen's pass on Schumacher in 2000 was good, but not as amazing as people make-out. Schumacher picked the wrong line really.

Last year was quite exciting. It always seemed that Fisi was in with a shot of the win, but Kimi held it together. An irony and a pity that that race led to the end of his F1 career ultimately, because he moved to Ferrari, performed badly and looked like a haunted man.

Anyway, I hope my favourite Spa moment until this year will be this weekend as I'll be there.

[wnut]

You lucky lucky ba.....

Enjoy!

[Belatti]

I remember the 1995 race where I was very exited and rooting for a Ferrari 1-2. After they both droped down and my dream collapsed I wanted to switch off the TV. Then, TGF and his Benetton made history.

[herowassenna]

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Hakkinen's pass on Schumacher in 2000 was good, but not as amazing as people make-out. Schumacher picked the wrong line really.

I agree, I never really understood the fanfare over this. Yes, Zonta was sitting in the middle of the track, so Schumi couldn't drive into Hakkinen the second lap running, but you see over-taking every year into Les Combes, where the faster car passes into the braking area etc.
Maybe they rate it so highly because it was Schumi and he had a tendency to put drivers on the grass. (Alonso at the British Gp anyone?)

Originally Posted by Born Racer

Anyway, I hope my favourite Spa moment until this year will be this weekend as I'll be there.

One circuit I've always wanted to spectate at, and take a road car and see the original circuit too.
And one year, if they're still racing Classic FF1600 there, Im gonna race too.

[Pingguest]

Spa 1995: it rains, but Hill can't overtake Schumacher, while the German is on slick tyres.

[djb]

funny but what pops into my mind seeing this topic is:

the lovely following overhead helicopter shots from "Grand Prix" of the cars going along with spray coming up from their wheels.

would love to see that movie on a big screen one day. Unlikely though (plus one wouldnt be able to fast forward through the hokey relationship bits)

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by Pingguest

Spa 1995: it rains, but Hill can't overtake Schumacher, while the German is on slick tyres.

oh yes he could; he just very wisely waited until there was least chance of being run off the road

[djb]

Originally Posted by MGDavid

oh yes he could; he just very wisely waited until there was least chance of being run off the road

chuckle.....I like that one (and yes, I actually believe he didnt trust the son-of-a-Mauser)

[Born Racer]

Watching the cars brake into Les Combes today. The braking distances look so short in person (second Grand Prix weekend experience).

Feeling it in my chest as they go through Eau Rouge and we stand to the left.

[JeremySmith]

My favourite moments are all of them..

Spa-Francorchamps the greatest racing circuit in the world..

[MGDavid]

Originally Posted by JeremySmith

My favourite moments are all of them..

Spa-Francorchamps the greatest racing circuit in the world..

ahem, second only to the Nordschleife

[mackteck]

Originally Posted by ChrisPage

So many to choose from! I'll go for Jordan getting their breakthrough 1-2 - after Schumacher trying to throttle DC!

Same for me - this was my first GP to attend, we were sitting on Pouhon (getting ****ed on) right in front of the coulthard / shumacher crash!
Being Irish we were of course big Jordan fans too. we met Irvine in Francorchamps after the race - ******** would not sign any autographs though.

[Kempi]

ahem, second only to the Nordschleife

When it comes to actually racing I'd place it ahead of the Nordschleife. Driving wise you are right, of course.

[stripedcat]

We can now add Lewis going off at Rivage and making it back on to the track intact and winning the race!

[Born Racer]

That was an exciting moment as far as I'm concerned. I was standing behind some Spaniards who were cheering when he went off. When Alonso went off, I saw no need to cheer. Turn the other cheek as they say, and be the better man.

[BMW_F1]

Montoya's pole lap in 05..

and Montoya's best pass ever.. (even better than Interlagos 01)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_FFR...eature=related

[stripedcat]

Yep, Monty kicked Schumi's backside that day. F1 misses him still.

[Spritle]

I hope the favourites are not the last:

http://en.espnf1.com/belgium/motorsp...ory/27327.html