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18 Mar 2010, 09:22 (Ref:2654735) | #26 | |
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The jokerlap is important for drivers by having less (big) damage after the first corner.
You have to make a race strategy. It's easy like that ! and that means more drivers in the finals and more spectacle for public at the end of the day. |
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I've only seen the joker lap "live" at Lydden and I have to say I don't like it as a concept. From what I've seen of the joker laps at other circuits (on dvd and the net) they have the same effect as Lydden - breaking up the racing and robbing the spectators of some great wheel to wheel racing. |
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I thought the joker lap at Kerlabo really added something to the track, cos it was too tight and had no overtaking spots. Lydden doesnt need one, and if it is to have one, don't have it on the first corner (like Nyirad) or first lap as that takes away some of the action. After the first lap, I think it can work quite well.
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Roll on the next 2 weeks i cant wait to av em on the old startline,euro style 5 across :-) see you all there come and say hello to the old startline crew.
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Yes, we are working hard to get our car on the starting line, altough it will be just in time...
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Work a bit harder!
Bert, is the Escort coming out again? Would be great. And yes, I can't stand the joker lap either. Boring. See you next week at Brands? |
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19 Mar 2010, 22:50 (Ref:2656096) | #35 | ||
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Just had the email come through saying this event will be 5 car abreast heats and they're using the joker lap.
I'm rather glad I can't make it. 5 car heats are another way of covering up that full 8 car grids are struggling to be made, and as for the total farce which is the joker lap it splits up an already depleted field into a tactiucal 200 metre dash to the line. Startline Crew -1 |
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20 Mar 2010, 01:54 (Ref:2656201) | #36 | ||
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[QUOTE=BertMk2;2654755]Interesting as a driver - dull as a spectator.QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2GOjDXOdgY&feature=related Dull??? No way!! |
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20 Mar 2010, 10:42 (Ref:2656304) | #37 | ||
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I picked up the 2009 ERC DVD this week and, having watched the whole season back to back I can certainly see how the Joker Lap is useful on circuits like Holjes, where the track is narrow and passing can be tricky.
Watching the Lydden round on the DVD though the circuit seems vast in comparison to some of the Euro circuits and I would much rather see cars try and use the available track for overtakes rather than the Joker Lap. Still, my opinion is that of a spectator, not a driver and, after all, it is their machinery out on the track, not mine! Although the inclusion of the Joker in the UK round disappoints me a bit, I will still be going to the meet, I just hope the racing doesn't suffer too much and we still get some good duels up front. |
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I thought that the heats were always 4 or 5 cars, and only the finals 8 cars..... or have I got the wrong end of the stick With this meeting being the BRDA first round I must say I am surprised that the joker lap will be used..... does that meand it will be used for all BRDA rounds, or can a track just chose if and when they use a joker section for a BRDA round??? |
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21 Mar 2010, 14:50 (Ref:2657196) | #41 | ||
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Well it sort of helps that LHMC run the British Championship, so they can decide when to use it themselves. There is no BRDA now.
So sick of everyone who doesnt know what they are talking about wingeing and moaning!! |
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Interestingly one of the Admin over on the RallycrossUK forum is talking about the Joker being used in the BRC as a part of the standardisation of the rules of rallycross. Although that strikes me as a good idea, so as to simplfy things for spectators and to make it easier for competitors to compete in both UK and Euro series, I guess that implies that we will eventually see Joker laps at all UK circuits? |
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I know there was talk of trying to bring the Joker into British events mainly the British Championships but from what I could make out the governing body wasn't to keen on the idea never one to adjust to change to quickley? maybe now they are considering the idea it would make sense to bring events in countries in line with each other but then that doesn't always happen. Any new Country/Circuit that aplies for an ERC event has to make provisions for a joker section to be Included on the calender.The fact that a BRC round is using an ERC style event as a pre test to the big event in May could possibly bring more foreign competitiors over for testing and trying out the changes to the joker section could make this event one of the biggest BRC rounds ever! not seen since the Mid eighties when we reguarly had scandinavians over for the rounds. Just read elsewhere that Michael de Keersmaecker will be at lydden for the first round to test his focus with a Godfrey prepared engine! It was about this time last year that everybody started moaning about changes to lydden having the joker lap at the track moving Barriers I guess we must all be getting bored and are just waitng for our next fix Last edited by schanche; 22 Mar 2010 at 11:48. |
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22 Mar 2010, 11:55 (Ref:2657764) | #45 | ||
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I dont really want to see the joker lap become commonplace in the BRC, but you make a fantastic point schanche, if the organisers are advertising this as the ideal shakedown pre-ERC, and alter the rules/regs to that effect, then we could benefit from the best and biggest field a British event has seen for decades. Which should benefit all involved. There is a niggling issue I have with hijacking a British event for the good of the ERC, but as a spectator, I actually don't care and cannot bloody wait for this!!!
C/D Finals in a British event??? Surely it's possible! |
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22 Mar 2010, 18:14 (Ref:2657980) | #46 | |
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its a shame about the joker lap but needs must. Problem with it is its positioning, meaning very few races see any proper racing until after the last corner.I know origionally it was going to be going up the hill, maybe sometime in the future this could be reconcidered.
That aside sounds like its going to be a fantastic weekend, planning on camping so hope it warms up a bit. |
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22 Mar 2010, 19:19 (Ref:2658023) | #47 | ||
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For proper racing the Lydden jokerlap is actually better than at other tracks. Last year it was often that cars on the right side pushed others in the jokerlap. Meaning those cars are from then on in a proper race. |
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22 Mar 2010, 19:47 (Ref:2658059) | #48 | ||
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Joking aside as a spectator i want to see cars together fighting for posituon. As a compromise maybe it should be joker lap during the heats when it ia all about time & no joker lap during the finals when its about position.This way the best cars make the finals & then it really comes down to the driver. |
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23 Mar 2010, 11:25 (Ref:2658516) | #49 | |
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That actually sounds like a really good idea to me. It fits with the ethos of trying to be quick and stay out of trouble in the heats then going flat chat in the finals. I think it'd suit drivers and spectators alike.
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