Bathurst Win or V8 Championship?

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Standard procedure as far as I have ever seen any red flag event across multiple forms of motorsport is that work cannot be done in the car while the event is stopped under a red flag.

From Wikipedia:

I don't disagree but that wasn't the rule in place on that day.

[Samwhk]

I haven't voted, because I can't decide.
I will say though, that I hate the current co-driver rule.
I feel that (and this is just a spectators view, I know that these co-drivers are far more talented than I could ever hope to be) a 1000 win has been slightly cheapened.
In days gone by, sure, there may have been less cars in the running for outright victory, but those that were in the running were more highly credentialed.
To me, the 1000 should feature the best drivers in the best cars. Also, it was cool to see a coupla ringers in a good car get amongst it on occasion.


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[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

How many of the poll of 18 people, most of who reckon group A is way more awesome than v8 supercars, are actual Bathurst 1000 drivers?.

Absolutely no idea how many members who voted in the poll have competed in the 1000.

What relevance does people's opinions of Group A have in this thread??

Originally Posted by FAS33

You and I can attend a Bathurst race, but you and I will never race in the Championship.

Quite correct on my behalf, butwho says you will never race in the Championship though? I have raced in a support race for a championship round though

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

Quite correct on my behalf, butwho says you will never race in the Championship though? I have raced in a support race for a championship round though

And I'm sure you wanted to race more then one race to win the title? Every single driver on the grid would choose to be a National Champ. For fans it would be this race cause they can relate more to it. Especially cause it's Bathurst.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Samwhk

I haven't voted, because I can't decide.
I will say though, that I hate the current co-driver rule.
I feel that (and this is just a spectators view, I know that these co-drivers are far more talented than I could ever hope to be) a 1000 win has been slightly cheapened.
In days gone by, sure, there may have been less cars in the running for outright victory, but those that were in the running were more highly credentialed.
To me, the 1000 should feature the best drivers in the best cars. Also, it was cool to see a coupla ringers in a good car get amongst it on occasion.


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Wow, so you would have had 1st and 2nd in the championship sitting on the sidelines in last years race while once a year drivers ran around in the remaining car? Your ok with that? The year before, you would have had the lead HRT car sitting on the sidelines, while once again co driver ran around in the other car

No thanks, give me more genuine cars in contention, 3 triple 8 cars racing for the win( maybe 1-2-3) instead of, by your criteria, 1 triple 8 car

[one five five]

Originally Posted by FAS33

And I'm sure you wanted to race more then one race to win the title? Every single driver on the grid would choose to be a National Champ. For fans it would be this race cause they can relate more to it. Especially cause it's Bathurst.

Not really, big races always interested me more than chasing a full championship. I'd rather save the budget to have a proper go at my favourite events/tracks than spread the budget across an entire year to chase a title.

Also there are alot of categories in Australia where the national title is decided over a single event (IPRA, HQ's etc etc)

Originally Posted by peckstar

Wow, so you would have had 1st and 2nd in the championship sitting on the sidelines in last years race while once a year drivers ran around in the remaining car? Your ok with that?

The system worked fine at Bathurst from 1963-2009?

The change was made for championship reasons, nothing to do with supposedly improving Bathurst. If anything it harmed it, further cementing Bathurst as just another round of the championship where everyone just sticks to their own cars...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by one five five

Not really, big races always interested me more than chasing a full championship. I'd rather save the budget to have a proper go at my favourite events/tracks than spread the budget across an entire year to chase a title.

Also there are alot of categories in Australia where the national title is decided over a single event (IPRA, HQ's etc etc)



The system worked fine at Bathurst from 1963-2009?

The change was made for championship reasons, nothing to do with supposedly improving Bathurst. If anything it harmed it, further cementing Bathurst as just another round of the championship where everyone just sticks to their own cars...

you mean like in 70-72 when they were single drivers or the famous 77 1-2 or what about Brocks 78-80 wins, many is the year that two lead drivers were not in the car together, in fact it would be around 50/50

Not sure how you thinked it harmed it, now we have more cars racing for the win at the end, more even than in those massive 55 car fields all the old timers rave about. To me that sounds like an improvement.
And bathurst crowds have never been bigger, so clearly very little harm done, if any was done

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by one five five

Not really, big races always interested me more than chasing a full championship. I'd rather save the budget to have a proper go at my favourite events/tracks than spread the budget across an entire year to chase a title...

Big races? We're only talking about Bathurst here. Your opinion but I'd rather have a chance at becoming a National champ than be a one race pony.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

you mean like in 70-72 when they were single drivers or the famous 77 1-2 or what about Brocks 78-80 wins, many is the year that two lead drivers were not in the car together, in fact it would be around 50/50

That they did, and even in 2001 and 2002 the winning car was crewed by a full-timer and a part-timer

It was the teams choice to do whatever they wanted prior to 2010 though, there was no mandated rule though who could co-drive with who.

But we mandate how many pitstops each car must make at Bathurst these days, may as well tell the team owners who can and can't drive their cars too.

Originally Posted by peckstar

Not sure how you thinked it harmed it, now we have more cars racing for the win at the end, more even than in those massive 55 car fields all the old timers rave about. To me that sounds like an improvement.
And bathurst crowds have never been bigger, so clearly very little harm done, if any was done

In your opinion it improved it.

Hearing the commentators bang on about championship points all day at Bathurst has, in my opinion, harmed it.

Just like a number of years ago when Tony Cochrane was interviewed live on the Bathurst grid and said "Bathurst is great but we can't wait to get to the Gold Coast"

[Samwhk]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Wow, so you would have had 1st and 2nd in the championship sitting on the sidelines in last years race while once a year drivers ran around in the remaining car? Your ok with that? The year before, you would have had the lead HRT car sitting on the sidelines, while once again co driver ran around in the other car

No thanks, give me more genuine cars in contention, 3 triple 8 cars racing for the win( maybe 1-2-3) instead of, by your criteria, 1 triple 8 car

I didn't specify that the teams had to pair up their topline drivers, I just think they should have the choice of who drives which car.

While we're at it, lets separate the Enduro Cup from the championship entirely.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by Samwhk

While we're at it, lets separate the Enduro Cup from the championship entirely.

Why?

Crowds have never been bigger, clearly there is not a problem with Bathurst

[db120176]

Reading the poll, does anyone actually use the sponsors name in the title normally? I think most people say Bathurst or the Championship; short of extra signage at events, are the naming rights of any value?

[db120176]

Originally Posted by Samwhk

While we're at it, lets separate the Enduro Cup from the championship entirely.

Call it the Manchamps

[Sandgroper]

Both have their appeal.

I cant decide, however ATTENDING Bathurst is more fun that attending one of the singular events Its a cop out I know.

[dsg]

Originally Posted by Samwhk

While we're at it, lets separate the Enduro Cup from the championship entirely.

I agree, a sprint championship for drivers and an enduro championship for teams.