LM24 Who's going to win Le Mans? - Page 2

**Aysedasi** · 12 Feb 2003, 13:33 (Ref:504428)

A GTS car will not win Le Mans.

If I have any reputation at all (perhaps I don't), I will stake it on a GTS car not winning Le Mans. A Saleen winning - absolutely no chance.

This ain't Daytona.

(Why would we want a GTS car to win the world's greatest sports car race anyway? :confused: )

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 13:41 (Ref:504438)

Maths says theres always a chance Aysedasi - like Ive said its slim I admit but theres always that chance. The factory Saleen is capable of a 3:48 lap with the current layout the way it is Im sure.

For my money - the GTS cars and GT look a hell of a lot better than the ugly LMP cars anyway - ok so Im in the minority but I prefer GT cars. I also woudnt say that Le Mans is the best enduro race - for me at least. No for me its got to be the Spa 24hrs, purley because im a GT fan and theres most of the best GT teams competing there this year. And before anyone says Spa is small time in comparisson to Spa I know in terms of spectators it is yeah but they still got in 107,000 in 2002.

Labre, Carsport Holland, GNM, BMS, Lister, Dart, JMB, Friesinger, Belmondo, Autorlando, RWS the list is endless. Still we all like differnt things I guess. The main reason I dont like Le Mans though compared to the Spa 24hrs is u dont see bugger all of the GTS and GT class racing, ah well back to Spa for me then...

Fogelhund · 12 Feb 2003, 14:19 (Ref:504481)

The Factory Saleen? hmmm ok?

Anyway, certainly barring any catostrophic events, it seems nearly impossible for a GTS/GT to win any real event with the present world class LMP entries.

Going forward? Who knows what rules changes lie in front of us at this moment, and I would suggest that as much lies with the whims of the ACO and where Porsche wishes to race next.

If Porsche wants to run a variant of their Carrera in GTS, supply customer cars, and have a chance for overall, you will likely see some rules modifications to allow same.

Fab · 12 Feb 2003, 17:01 (Ref:504603)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Maths says theres always a chance Aysedasi - like Ive said its slim I admit but theres always that chance. The factory Saleen is capable of a 3:48 lap with the current layout the way it is Im sure.

I'm afraid for mathematics reliability at Le Mans, but I have to admit, even if I'm agree with Ayse on the point, that a GT car won LM ones, in 1979... and it was a private car indeed.

Fab · 12 Feb 2003, 17:02 (Ref:504604)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
For my money - the GTS cars and GT look a hell of a lot better than the ugly LMP cars anyway - ok so Im in the minority but I prefer GT cars.

You're not in the minority ; you're just in the middle of a bunch of Le Mans fans !

No problem of prefering GT cars !

Fab · 12 Feb 2003, 17:03 (Ref:504605)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
I also woudnt say that Le Mans is the best enduro race - for me at least. No for me its got to be the Spa 24hrs, purley because im a GT fan and theres most of the best GT teams competing there this year. And before anyone says Spa is small time in comparisson to Spa I know in terms of spectators it is yeah but they still got in 107,000 in 2002.

Labre, Carsport Holland, GNM, BMS, Lister, Dart, JMB, Friesinger, Belmondo, Autorlando, RWS the list is endless. Still we all like differnt things I guess. The main reason I dont like Le Mans though compared to the Spa 24hrs is u dont see bugger all of the GTS and GT class racing, ah well back to Spa for me then...

You're THE man who should open a site and a forum dedicated to GT !

BTW, Spa is a superb track, and the races here are usualy awsome...

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 17:13 (Ref:504612)

lol, if someone was to do a website with me purley for GT then yeah sure, but not as it stands at the moment as I dont have any knowledge of HTML. My msn group will have to do im afraid http://groups.msn.com/thehomeofmotorracing (hope u dont mind aydeasi.)

rdjones · 12 Feb 2003, 17:41 (Ref:504628)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
Maths says theres always a chance Aysedasi - like Ive said its slim I admit but theres always that chance. The factory Saleen is capable of a 3:48 lap with the current layout the way it is Im sure.

Saleen, sorry there is no way at GT or GTS can win Le Mans, sorry its ture, get over it.

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
For my money - the GTS cars and GT look a hell of a lot better than the ugly LMP cars anyway - ok so Im in the minority but I prefer GT cars.

Which plant are you living on, have u seen the Bentley it looks wonderful, as does the MG and sorry Ayse so does the Audi........

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
I also woudnt say that Le Mans is the best enduro race - for me at least. No for me its got to be the Spa 24hrs, purley because im a GT fan and theres most of the best GT teams competing there this year. And before anyone says Spa is small time in comparisson to Spa I know in terms of spectators it is yeah but they still got in 107,000 in 2002.

Sorry I disagree again Le Mans IS THE GREATEST race in the world fact, not Spa, which until about 5 or 6 years ago was nothing more than a 24 hour touring car race.

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 17:57 (Ref:504645)

Quote:

Originally posted by rdjones
Saleen, sorry there is no way at GT or GTS can win Le Mans, sorry its ture, get over it.

Which plant are you living on, have u seen the Bentley it looks wonderful, as does the MG and sorry Ayse so does the Audi........

Sorry I disagree again Le Mans IS THE GREATEST race in the world fact, not Spa, which until about 5 or 6 years ago was nothing more than a 24 hour touring car race.

No, in ur opinion Spa isnt the best 24hr race, in mine it is. And as Ive said before maths proves a GTS car has a chance of winning Le Mans outright - anything that moves has a chance of winning Le Mans outright, the Spyker could win Le Mans outright even.

U have ur opinion on things, and I will have mine. The Spa 24hrs in my eyes cant be a bad race if they pull in 107,000 ppl and each year they get more and more...

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 17:58 (Ref:504648)

Quote:

Originally posted by Fab
You're THE man who should open a site and a forum dedicated to GT !

BTW, Spa is a superb track, and the races here are usualy awsome...

Btw, if I were to do a website dedicated to GT racing and a forum Id have more oppostion than u may think.. www.gtracing.net

**Aysedasi** · 12 Feb 2003, 18:16 (Ref:504669)

Saleen, its fine you have an opinion. The world would be a much poorer (and greyer) place if we all agreed with each other.

And as for not seeing much of the GT and GTS racing at Le Mans, well, you do if you're there.

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 18:19 (Ref:504673)

I cant afford that im afraid, got a slight disabilty so Im on benefits and only working part time, maybe if I ever get a half decent paid job I will be able to afford it, until then... Eurosport it is! lol.

**Aysedasi** · 12 Feb 2003, 18:25 (Ref:504684)

Oh well one day - you really must try if you can. You'll never know what its like until you've experienced it for real.

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 18:30 (Ref:504686)

lol I got a fair idea though was at the Donnington round of the ELMS in 2001 as well as FIA GT at Silverstone last year. Still ur right, not quite the same - but as soon as I do get some cash im off to Spa for the 24hrs then Le Sarthe.

rdjones · 12 Feb 2003, 19:43 (Ref:504762)

Quote:

Originally posted by SALEEN S7R
No, in ur opinion Spa isnt the best 24hr race, in mine it is. And as Ive said before maths proves a GTS car has a chance of winning Le Mans outright - anything that moves has a chance of winning Le Mans outright, the Spyker could win Le Mans outright even.

U have ur opinion on things, and I will have mine. The Spa 24hrs in my eyes cant be a bad race if they pull in 107,000 ppl and each year they get more and more...

You have your opinion, I have mine, the other you have to remember, is that the Spa 24 Hrs and Le Mans are two completly different animals.

What I mean is that each of the circuits has different demands etc. If they where to add LMP900's and 675's to Spa would the GT's have the upperhand or would GT win?

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 19:51 (Ref:504777)

If they were to add LMP cars to the Spa 24hrs 9 times out of 10 a LMP car would win obviously, but maths proves that eventually a GTS car would win eventually. It also depends on what LMP cars were entered, if u entered say the FIA SCC, Id say that the GTS cars would finish 3rd and 4th, there are only 4 fast cars in SR1 and SR2 are slower than the cream of the GTS grid.

rdjones · 12 Feb 2003, 20:20 (Ref:504792)

Saleen would it be possible for u to pm me your maths so I can if your maths works out.............

SALEEN S7R · 12 Feb 2003, 20:27 (Ref:504799)

its not that hard really. Its the law of statistics, Im no mathamatical genious, maybe someone here who is would care to explain to u?

Mal · 12 Feb 2003, 21:50 (Ref:504891)

I think the majority of people on this forum would agree that the Greatest Endurance race, and possibly the greatest race full stop,is in France. What you get in LeMans is an atmosphere, a sense of occasion and a feeling that motor racing history is being made right in front of your eyes. There is no way that a race that is only a few years old can match that.

Notwithstanding that I have no doubt that Spa is a great event and that the Spa circuit is one of the best.

EliseGT1 · 12 Feb 2003, 22:44 (Ref:504967)

I think a Renault Twingo will win Le Mans with Mr. Bean at the steering wheel. Or would it be a Bentley or an Audi? Duh......!!!!

IanGrohse · 12 Feb 2003, 23:01 (Ref:504987)

Im curious about this math. You dont need to discribe it, im just interested in you aluding to what math this is. I dont understand how the law of statistics aplies.

thomasl · 12 Feb 2003, 23:15 (Ref:504999)

I know that Tom K & Co. will probably win. That's ok with me being Danish, but I would sure love to see Magnussen win this one.

Sean Crockett · 13 Feb 2003, 00:07 (Ref:505029)

While I'd like to think the Herbert Bentley could do it, I think it will be the Kristensen one to win.

Does anyone seriously think the Team Goh Audi has a chance? Last year they were driving for a finish on the parade lap!!!

Fab · 13 Feb 2003, 06:06 (Ref:505159)

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Originally posted by Sean Crockett
Does anyone seriously think the Team Goh Audi has a chance? Last year they were driving for a finish on the parade lap!!!

Do they have a 2002 specs car, or a 2001 ? Last year : reliablity problems... remember they were third overall after 3 hours or around, if I can remember... 't was not so bad. Certainly a not enough homogeneous team last year, but... well, I won't bet on them, but a very good outsider indeed...

**Aysedasi** · 13 Feb 2003, 08:06 (Ref:505192)

Quote:

Originally posted by Mal
I think the majority of people on this forum would agree that the Greatest Endurance race, and possibly the greatest race full stop,is in France. What you get in LeMans is an atmosphere, a sense of occasion and a feeling that motor racing history is being made right in front of your eyes. There is no way that a race that is only a few years old can match that.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

View Poll Results: Who's going to win Le Mans?
Bentley (Kristensen/Capello/Smith)	18	29.51%
Bentley (Herbert/Brabham/Blundell)	18	29.51%
Audi Sport UK	10	16.39%
Champion Racing	7	11.48%
Audi Sport Team Goh	2	3.28%
JML Team Panoz	0	0%
Jim Matthews Racing	2	3.28%
Other	4	6.56%
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