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A lot the time you'll have other cars round you. If you keep your distance to them fairly constant I imagine that would be close enough. Of course they might only be guessing too but I bet you'd get away with it.
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T-T, I don't have a formula, I just worked it out on the back of an envelope (really!) as a little logic problem using simple arithmetic. But as Max says there's plenty of resources on the net....
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TT this looks pretty handy
http://www.endtuning.com/gearratios/ If you drive a BMW it even gives you the ratios! Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk |
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Well, that didn't last long. Understand that today the BRSCC announced that it had suspended the use of the Code 60 procedure for all remaining meetings this season due to customer pressure. With immediate effect they will be returning to the use of a Safety Car for all remaining meetings this season.
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That's fine. I trust the competitors have guaranteed to properly obey the yellow flags instead, which is all we really need.
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As For the CSCC, we will continue to use Code 60 in racing, yes it has its problems, but with work it should be a help in running a meeting, to timetable and for the competitors.
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The flag works, and works well elsewhere - but - it needs good competitor briefings before deployment, discipline in use, and enforcement of responses by competitors.
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(Although I'm just up for a car that car do 60 at the moment ) I wonder if the ARDS could incorporate it? Or maybe the opportunity to have code 60 for the last few minutes of each practice for a few meeting for us to practice? And then a refresher once a year? |
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There is nothing fundamentally wrong with Code 60... there are some things wrong with how it was introduced and how it has been used on occasions but this is all something that could be fixed. Dave |
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It was used during the Thruxton CSCC meeting earlier this year.
I requested it so that we could move a car that had neatly parked itself backwards into Post 12. It was deployed, and as soon as the field in my sector had slowed, my guys were able to safely push the car behind the post. It was only out for about half a lap and then withdrawn and racing continued as if nothing had happened. |
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Code 60 the key to making it work is the simultaneous deployment all round a circuit and again the same when it is withdrawn. It also eliminates the pit callers and tail enders playing " catch up" at racing speed when the safety car is deployed .
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The other key is that drivers OBEY the thing. I have seen timing sheets with lists of speeds ranging from 60kph up to 85+kph - and in some races where I have seen it used, after a couple of laps or more we ended up with a train of cars exactly like a SC train - without the SC - so drivers basically, and unashamedly, caught up the car in front. I suspect "customer pressure" is maybe from the long list of drivers who have been pinged heavily for infringements - though of course I do not know that for sure. |
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Looking at the times on TSL for the CSCC meeting at Castle Combe today in the Swinging Sixties Gp2 race, there were 3 - 4 laps under Code 60, and it is blatantly obvious that the lower order cars were circulating some 10 - 15 seconds quicker than the leaders.........
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Looking at the lap analysis of race 3, which is the one i assume you are referring to, the best info regards times/speeds are laps 3,4 & 5 which would have been the full laps under code 60. 60kph = 37.2823mph the only car to exceed 38mph (once - lap 4) was the 16th place finisher. car 118 lap 4 - 2:52.905 38.51 mph the leaders corresponding lap was lap 4 - 3:12.446 34.60mph the 8th placed car was closest to the target time/speed lap 5 - 2:58.674 37.27 mph So the closing came mostly from the leader being nearly 14 seconds slower than required, and car 118 being 6 seconds faster. There appear to be about 6 others that infringed the 60kph lap time, but usually by about a second. Any gains for the lower orders appear to be more due to them being closer to the target 60kph lap time. Perhaps only car 118 should have been penalised http://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=CS.../173264c60.pdf pages 39 to 42 |
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A sound analysis Alasdair, however I have witnessed cars closing the gap by driving the shortest distance around the circuit rather than taking the racing line, same speed, but less distance travelled per lap compared to others.
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Interesting - thanks for that analysis, Alasdair.
Confess it hadn't occured to me that taking the non-racing line could make such a difference in lap distance........I wonder how the circuit length is actually calculated.......inside kerb, outside kerb, a theoretical mid-line of the circuit? |
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