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Old 1 May 2003, 22:53 (Ref:1583404)   #1
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March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752

Marches must be one of the most confusing cars,this is typical, a site advertising a 722 thats been rebuilt from a 76B,a 722 looks nothing like the 76 series http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/ma...0/722-20ss.htm.Several March 74/75/76/77 bitsers were raced here in the Atlantic series.
The 2 722's that came here Ken Smith raced one,I'm sure it was sold to Aussie,the other was run by Frank Radisch with several different power plants,last time I saw it was around 1977 at Baypark running a libre race with a Mazda rotary motor.Ken Smith ran a 732 after the 722 and it went to Aussie to.
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Old 1 May 2003, 23:43 (Ref:1583405)   #2
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You're not kidding about Marches, though it may well be that underneath that particular 76B bodywork is a 722 tub.
Underneath several 73Bs - as built by March AS NEW CARS - were 712M tubs. Ray Mallock's had 712M-5 [ex Beuttler F2] and Sonny Rajah 712M-7 [ex Peterson F2]. We can only praise March for their early committment to recycling and ecological issues, but it's a nightmare for the historian.

This is not helped by drivers changing the identity of their cars whenever they modified them a bit. Howard Wood is described as racing a 75B in the '77 Tasman. Motoring News in UK said this was ex Val Musetti, meaning that underneath it all was either the ex Stan Matthews 73B [itself possibly built on a recycled 712M] or a 742 tub of indeterminate provenance. Does anyone know about the NZ history of this car?
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March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752

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You are wonderful mine of information! I think we need to pace that one finger, and also not spoil me with too much history at once. I will try and find some more about Colin Simpson and his ownership of the car. I've got his purchase of the car from either Autosport or Motoring News, I'll have to check my notes.

The Musetti cars are a nightmare, since they were always described as being at least a model newer than they actually were. I know he ran 752-15 with a GAA V6 in the back in '76/77 [ex Walkinshaw and ex Kuwashima in F2] and that in 75 he had the Matthews 73B. By 76 he has two cars one described as a 75B and the other as a 742. I think the Matthews car is under the 75B and that a 732 tub features in the 742, but who really knows. Maybe I'll have to track him down. [Interesting guy, was a stunt driver for films who did the classic Mini sequence in the Italian Job.]

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I know he ran 752-15 with a GAA V6 in the back in '76/77 [ex Walkinshaw and ex Kuwashima in F2] and that in 75 he had the Matthews 73B. By 76 he has two cars one described as a 75B and the other as a 742. I think the Matthews car is under the 75B and that a 732 tub features in the 742, but who really knows.
Chris, do you mean Stan Matthews?
He raced an Ensign and then a 73B in Atlantic under the Promoto racing banner.Both green and yellow in classic 'lotus' style.
My father was Stan's mechanic when he raced special saloons in 68/69 before he went to the JRRDS at Snetterton.
Now running a bar in Spain I believe. I have not seen him since '78 at Silverstone. He was pretty well off for an 18 year old when he first turned up at our house to look at the racing saloon Anglia my father spannered on and arrived in a Ferrari he had bought the day before from Peter Sellers.That turned a few heads on our council estate! His folks ran the Wicken Country Hotel near Silverstone. I remember going there as a kid when the GP was on and many of the F1 drivers stayed there.
Amon, McLaren, Gurney, Hill, Bonnier etc were all in the hotel bar so it was 'autograph book' heaven! Stan became quite good when he got to F3/Atlantic but I think the money ran out.
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My Formula Collection starts with Feb 1975. However, in that copy (p14) I found:

On p18 I spotted Bruce Jensen and Reg Scullion in an Atlantic race at Watkins Glen in 742s, Fred Philips in James King's 73B and Roos in Grimaldi's 732. I think this race supported the US GP. And on p8: "Tom Sauerbrei ... will be in the ex Depailler March 742" in Atlantic in 1975. That might help plug a gap later.

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Old 3 May 2003, 20:44 (Ref:1583416)   #6
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Fred Opert advertises the Brown 74B (8 races from new) in June 1975. The full Edmonton grid is shown - there are 11 75Bs, two 73B and a 722.

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Full Westwood grid in August 1975 p26. Now 12 75Bs, one 73B and a 722.

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I meant number 9 of course for the Bobby Brown car, my mistake!

I'd got Sauerbrei racing a 742 in SCCA. But not ANOTHER ex Depaillier.
That makes 4 and a quick scan of written off tubs in Depaillier's 74 season gives me two, plus an intact one at the end of the season, plus the spare that his contract insisted on [so that at Karlskoga March had to hire Obermoser's car back because they'd run out!] gives me
4 !!!
Isn't history marvellous. Of course F1R shows him as using the same car all season.
Although Sauerbrei's car could equally have been the 74B that ran at Trois Rivieres...

Does the Sanair picture of Jensen and Loring give us a clue to colour?

Mail me the Edmonton grid for starters! Just wish British mags had been as thorough.

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Re the ex-NZ March 722
Two cars went to NZ at the end of 1972, the Sports Motors car, 722/1, which Gerry Birrell had been racing in F2, and 722/37, which Chris Oates had run in British FAt races.
The first was raced by Ken Smith in 1973, then sold less engine to Frank Radisich, who ran it first with a Repco V8 engine (1974-75) and then with a Mazda rotary (1976-77). Dave Saunders leased it for the 1978 NZ internationals, and ran it with a BDG engine, after which Radisich kept it as a fun car. It then passed through the hands of Dennis Dunbar, Charlie Conway and Adrian Whapman, who was advertising it for sale in 1994
Baron Robertson raced 722/37 in NZ then traded it in on an F5000 Elfin with Max Stewart, who ran the March for John Leffler in Australia in 1974. I don’t know what happened to it after that.

•732/9. Raced originally by Mike Beuttler for Brian Lewis Racing, then acquired by Andy Sutcliffe, who raced it from the Karlskoga round onwards. Ken Smith raced in NZ 1974, then sold to Ken Shirvington in Australia, who was still campaigning it it 1978

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The Melville 76B is described by Motoring News as the car raced by Brambilla the previous year at Trois Rivieres.
Could be

The Howard Wood car: 742-1 according to F1R went to Japan, but they attribute 742-U1 to Musetti in 1976. This would tie in with my information that this was an ex Musetti car.
The Musetti connection certainly rings a bell with what the Wood brothers told me at the time
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Hell this is going so fast so quickly,
March , Ian Grob in N.Z. Both cars tubs built up 1 for 1978 series , other not till 1980 in Australia .
Both cars have ch. pl. stamped as 77B C1 and C2 , being for Gary Clare who apparently drove the March spares van inU.K./Europe and did the deal with Ian Grob , so technically they are not true Marches .

A story connected with the C2 car was that it was ex James King tub , but I checked this with Duncan , and was advised that the King tub was 773-41 Lightweight, whereas the C2 tub is 773-66 ex no history.

For the record I am the Senior Historic Eligibility Officer for C.A.M.S in Oz , handling the post 1960 Racing and Sports Racing cars and have been for some years.

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Just checked some of the asked questions.

Sonny Rajah ran in the Australian Van Heusen Formula Two Series in 1974 , note our F2 was restricted to Ford Twin cams , either on carbs or inj. The top guys all had alloy block Hart 416Bs . This series at the time was very competitive and until the Ralt R.T.4 Atlantic period, the closest we ever got to Euro F2. Rajah's car noted in Chequered Flag magazine as March 712M/732/7 ex 71 champ Ronnie Peterson, bought 72 by Rajah and updated to 73 specs. in England in 1973. To my knowledge the car left our shores never to return. Probably still lurking in S.E. Asia somewhere.

Baron Robertson March 722/34 is the number reported by Chequered Flag in 1974, but it could be that the 7 and 4 were mistaken as I have the car as 722/37. This car was run by the Late Max Stewart with Solo lemon drink sponorship , even at 1 meeting with a downdraught head on the twin cam
It then went to Victoria for Football Star, Paul Feltham, then ended up with Ed Flannery for at least 10 years. He died; car to wife; she died 12 months later and car now to niece/nephew who I can't find; have been trying for years. gr.gr.gr.gr.

Chris, the 74 March notes, you have all the info on the sheet, nothing held back .
Bobby Brown's 74B-9, I saw a note sometime in 74 Auosport saying this would be last race in U.K. as both driver and car returning to U.S.A.

Re. my 74B tub no. typo, should read 732-26, with either an 8 or a B stamped under that.

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March 732/9 , here as ex Ken Smith , ex works renta car , drivers as Mike Beuttler and Andy Sutcliffe , purchased from March in August 1973 to Ken Smith .
Smith sold to Ken Shirvington , who still retains car to this day , although nobody has seen it , or the Lotus 20 he has had since 1965 , or the Toleman T.G.280 or the Lola T 400 all of which , plus who nows what else that he has hidden to keep away from ex wife and lawyers.
But the March has never surfaced.
March ex Andy Miedecke 763/77b 763/14 . Ispoke to Andy re. this along with Bruce Cary who helped bult it up .
This car still owned by Andy and is literally nailed to the wall at his Main Ford dealership at Port Macquarrie on the mid north coast of N.S.W. as I write, this info about 4 weeks old.
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March 75B in Davids list of cars in N.Z. as 742-1, to Howard Wood, Reg Cook, John Grobbe 1982.
I had to do an eligibility inspection on an ex N.Z. March 742 in July 1977 which we declined to pass as the owner gave us basically no supporting evidence, and the car was soon after sold I believe to U.K. Europe .
N.Z. owners were called out as Ken Smith in 1993, to John Mackinlay 1994-5 then to B.M.W. dealer principle Mr.R Shield in Sydney, however car carried plate 742-U2.
Have we got another entity on our hands or is this 742-1 ??
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Any takers on March 742-U2 ex. N.z. yet ?????????????
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Bryan: Am thinking about your 742 and trying to track down Val Musetti. He still works in film business, and I can probably network him through my contacts.
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Have you seen ref. to Alan Rollinson out and about in what was called 732 but actually ex. Coombes/Depailler 722 , which should give it -45. Note states had just been collected from works and called dev. car with side rads. , new nose and only March in F.A. upto current F2 spec.

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Agree about the Rollinson car based on 722-45
Also out there, though perhaps it's only tested and never raced is a 74B based on an ex Coulon 732 chassis. This is mentioned first as being sold to Mike Sullivan racing for Alan Jones, to go alongside their 712M/722, but then it mysteriously stays at March, because a few weeks later there's a piece about Johnny Nick testing it to see if it's more competitive than the Lyncar. [JN stuck with the Lyncar...]
If F1R is to be believed Coulon's cars in 73 were 732-7 and 732-12.
As F1R give 732-7 as Laurent Ferrier's car in F2 in 1976 the probability is that this was 732-12.

Another 712M in Atlantic in 74 is 712M-11. This appears for Richard Robinson and is described as ex Colin Andrews. Andrews's car in 73 Atlantic is described as a former Shell-Arnold car raced by Jaussaud, so probably 712M-11 as that seems to have been the chassis he raced most often. Robinson is entered by Mike Sullivan Racing, and I suspect that the 722 which they enter for Alan Jones and Richard Knight is probably this car.

Howard Rose: Goes on to race [or rather to not qualify for some races] in the 1977 ShellSport series. I noted the chassis number of his car in those races at the time, but, callow youth that I was, I never thought my records important and now don't know where they are. However, I do remember that the plate was that of a 753. So there are two Rose cars.

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I have what is apparently all that exists of the March 1973 records for F2 ,
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www.carclassic .com had for sale,

Marches ch.nos. 782-16
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March - one cute little number that ran in the Van Heusen series was Englisman, Ken Douglas, in a March733M/743/3, which later burnt to a crisp inc. trailer ot Oran Park as they were leaving the circuit.

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I would love to see the 732 records - if only to compare and contrast to the F1Register books. I'll leave the fax on. The heart is holding up. And thank you for confirming dates on AU1.

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Chris , trust you rec,d. 732 fax.
Sorry it is not as comprehensive as Modus or 74B , however it is still interesting in 732-9/15 , and it looks like -11 did not make it to Japan as Bill Gubelman seems to have run it all season in F2.

In A/S. Sept. 5 1975 p.59 for sale column have you been able to put a no. or identity to Alan Rollinsons car.?
Is it a genuine 74B or a lash up .??????
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Rollinson's car is a lash up. Probably the ex Coombs 722-45, which he raced twice, otherwise the ex Coulon 74B. Rollinson actually retired in 74 after racing the Coombs car and realising he was on a hiding to nothing.

Some of the gaps on 732, though I await correction and addition:
1: Works Beltoise [Mallory]; Stuck; occasional spare for Jarier -> 1976 John Calvert, tub then to Geoff Friswell, written off in practice accident at Gold Cup meeting Sept 76, which I witnessed, and replaced with a 742 tub.

2: Not known either this or 3 is the Hiromu Tanaka car
3: Not known perhaps Tanaka
4: Brambilla brothers, kept by them at least till 76 and used as hire car for Italian F2 races
5: Brambilla bros 1975: Max Bonin [France] at least until 76
6: Works Jarier
7 Works Coulon. This number given to Laurent Ferrier's car in 77 by F1R
11 was kept by Gubelmann at least until mid 76. He had a big accident at the Mallory hairpin with Mike Wilds and received bad head injuries. I don't think he ever raced again, and I don't know what happened to the car. It was quite a low speed accident, so I doubt that it was destroyed in the shunt.
14: Wheatcroft for Roger Williamson. 1975: Luis de Almenara

Interesting that you have 12 as Joliat's car. F1R ascribe this to Coulon from mid season and put Joliat in 16
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No, there was only one Ken Bailey, and the history works out. The Cyd Williams 722 is 722-39 and this number is noted by Motoring News on its debut in Atlantic, along with 722-37 which is raced by Chris Oates. 722-37 goes to Baron Robertson in 73 and then John Leffler. 39 is sold to Bailey who used in F.Atlantic in UK in 73. The car was then sold to a guy called Phil Dowell who was killed testing it at Silverstone pre-season in '74. I've always presumed that the car was destroyed in this accident.

So, Bailey's 73B is a genuine model, ex Charles Lucas '73 season. I got a bit thrown by the advert for a March 722 in 1974, because it's got Bailey's name on it. However, the phone number, when you look at other ads, proves to be that of Mike Sullivan Racing. Sullivan had been racing 712M-11 [ex Jaussaud, ex colin Andrews. for Richard Robinson and Alan Jones, though he took to calling it a "722"]. I presume that this is Sullivan trying to sell that car with a photograph of someone elses! [though it might be that Sullivan had also bought the wreck from Dowell's widow to use for parts.]

Sullivan was selling because he was meant to be getting a "74B" built out of one of JAcques Coulon's 732 tubs. However, according to race reports it was the 722 which finished the 74 season, so presumably the cheque bounced on the "74B".

Bailey sold his 73B to Andy Rouse halfway through the 74 season and took over the works development Lola T360. That's why you have two adverts using pictures of Bailey cars at the same time!

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