[Official] Hungarian Grand Prix 2016: Grand Prix Weekend Thread

[bjohnsonsmith]

Rosberg pull's it out of the bag.

[bella]

carlos sainz though...

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Rosberg pull's it out of the bag.

I think Alonso pulled it out for him...Hamilton was quicker until he had to back off for him......

[Tja]

There were still double waved yellows when Rosberg went through at the end even though Alonso's car was already gone. According to Toto he lifted a bit but still set his fastest middle sector.
I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer until we know for sure who's on pole tomorrow.

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by Tja

There were still double waved yellows when Rosberg went through at the end even though Alonso's car was already gone. According to Toto he lifted a bit but still set his fastest middle sector.
I guess we'll have to wait a bit longer until we know for sure who's on pole tomorrow.

I did wonder about that - I knew he'd set a fastest middle sector time, but wasn't sure when the yellows went in.....

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

I think Alonso pulled it out for him...Hamilton was quicker until he had to back off for him......

After Alonso went off, I thought that's it, no one's going to squeeze another fast lap out of Q3 but Rosberg did it.

[djinvicta]

So...If you put in your fastest lap of the session and part of it was through waved yellows..isn't it deleted? Who has a rule book to look at?

[Lancsbreaker]

Mr Woolf says Nico lifted for the yellows, but was still able to set fastest sector time, apparently.........Lewis seems to have accepted it, but some of the other teams (presumably Red Bull, as Ricciardo was disadvantaged) are unhappy......

[wolfhound]

Rosberg has been cleared of any wrong doing on his pole lap by the stewards.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/st...cident-801636/

[wolfhound]

F1 could get itself into a right pickle depending on how the 107% qualifying rule is interpreted as 11 cars failed it in Q1 including the Red Bulls, both Force Indias and Bottas. It would mean all 5 going to the back of the grid..........

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/re...threat-801649/

The bigger the rule book the more issues that get raised.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Rosberg has been cleared of any wrong doing on his pole lap by the stewards.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/st...cident-801636/

This demonstrates the stupidity of the administration of the yellow flags. Despite the fact that doubly yellows were being waved (which I believe means that the driver should slow and be prepared to stop if required), Rosberg actually set a fastest sector time.

This surely answers one of the questions that has been raised by the Bianchi family; drivers are incapable of policing themselves under caution flags, and the FIA are incapable of ensuring that the rules are complied with.

[wolfhound]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

This demonstrates the stupidity of the administration of the yellow flags. Despite the fact that doubly yellows were being waved (which I believe means that the driver should slow and be prepared to stop if required), Rosberg actually set a fastest sector time.

This surely answers one of the questions that has been raised by the Bianchi family; drivers are incapable of policing themselves under caution flags, and the FIA are incapable of ensuring that the rules are complied with.

Fortunately or unfortunately in motorsport there is the long winded process of the stewards making the disciplinary calls after the event as opposed to a lot of other sports where a referee decides on the spot.
The process used in motorsport is more like a law court than that of a referee.
This can lead to a lot of decisions looking certain at one time being not so by the time everybody shows their evidence and how smart the people in stewards room are.

[gert]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Fortunately or unfortunately in motorsport there is the long winded process of the stewards making the disciplinary calls after the event as opposed to a lot of other sports where a referee decides on the spot.
The process used in motorsport is more like a law court than that of a referee.
This can lead to a lot of decisions looking certain at one time being not so by the time everybody shows their evidence and how smart the people in stewards room are.

I agree with you that it's (very) annoying when the outcome of the race/qualifying/whatever is altered hours afterwards.

However, sometimes it IS better to evaluate things after the race rather than take an immediate decision, for that decision could be wrong too.

Just a few exemples:
* the Risi Ferrari at Le Mans 2016 which was given ordered to go to/through the pits but ignored it. And rightly so IMO.
* Mortara who was penalised at Zandvoort in the DTM race, which was 'probably' a mistake

[gert]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

This can lead to a lot of decisions looking certain at one time being not so by the time everybody shows their evidence and how smart the people in stewards room are.

And in this case, probably Rosberg (or rather: Mercedes) can show enough evidence that Rosberg actually slowed/lifted.
It may well be true, since he was the last one to cross the S/F line (Verstappen behind him was just too late), that even though he lifted he still managed to imnprove his time just by being on track when the track was at its very best.
And most likely, he was also informed the yellows were about Alonso and that he (F.A.) he already gone by then.

A pity for Hamilton, Ricciardo, and all others involved but you always loose more time when there is a car parked on track or next to it, then when there are yellows and no stranded cars.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Fortunately or unfortunately in motorsport there is the long winded process of the stewards making the disciplinary calls after the event as opposed to a lot of other sports where a referee decides on the spot.
The process used in motorsport is more like a law court than that of a referee.
This can lead to a lot of decisions looking certain at one time being not so by the time everybody shows their evidence and how smart the people in stewards room are.

Rosberg was summoned to see the stewards almost four hours after he got pole, according to this.

http://classic.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/125428

[bella]

people keep talking about alonso's car being out of the way, but were the marshals and the snatch vehicle (if relevant) out of the way too?

[gert]

Originally Posted by bella

people keep talking about alonso's car being out of the way, but were the marshals and the snatch vehicle (if relevant) out of the way too?

I don't know. I hope the stewards do.

If he didn't stall, maybe Alonso went under his own power once it was safe to do so, and there were no marshalls or snatch vehicle involved?
Just guessing though, I have no evidence one way or the other...

[wolfhound]

Take a look at video from 1:59:00 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjO0BLiOKwk

[Tja]

Originally Posted by wolfhound

Take a look at video from 1:59:00 minutes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjO0BLiOKwk

I'd agree with Brundle there, he certainly lifted off at the first yellows and took the left hander more cautiously than he normally would. Once it was clear there was no danger anymore he was back on it. I didn't see any marshals around and I guess Alonso got it going again on his own.
Rosberg had luck on his side today.

Hopefully the Red Bulls can put the Mercs under pressure tomorrow. Their pace seemed pretty good in all kinds of conditions.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Tja

I'd agree with Brundle there, he certainly lifted off at the first yellows and took the left hander more cautiously than he normally would. Once it was clear there was no danger anymore he was back on it. I didn't see any marshals around and I guess Alonso got it going again on his own.
Rosberg had luck on his side today.

Hopefully the Red Bulls can put the Mercs under pressure tomorrow. Their pace seemed pretty good in all kinds of conditions.

Interesting to see Adrian Newey there.

[MCWB]

Q: (Dan Knutson – Speedsport) Daniel, your team-mate reported on one run in Q3 that he lost ‘sync’. What does that mean, and did you have a similar glitch?

DR: Yes, so normally when you download from iTunes… I’m not sure what Max is using but obviously the music must have stopped. Weak wifi! Anyway, it’s normally just for the gears. Like a quick shift setting.

Q: Did you have any problem?

DR: No, it was all good.

[bjohnsonsmith]

A clean start and Hamilton takes the lead, as Rosberg very briefly slipped down to third. Mercedes 1, 2.

[Akrapovic]

Jenson Button has been penalised for having faulty brakes. Good to see the sport hasn't gotten any less ridiculous since the last race.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Jenson Button has been penalised for having faulty brakes. Good to see the sport hasn't gotten any less ridiculous since the last race.

How does a driver get penalised for having faulty brakes?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

How does a driver get penalised for having faulty brakes?

Jenson reported that the brake pedal went to the floor. His team replied with a message, clearly designed for safety, that the hydraulic pressure had dropped. Jenson was penalised for driver coaching on the radio.

That isn't driver coaching. That won't help jenson drive faster. All that is was the team talking about a very clear safety issue and were penalised for it. But don't worry, the Halo(TM) is coming so that'll make it ok again.