Is it just me??????

Stuart Hill · 11 Jul 2004, 13:43 (Ref:1033021)

Michael's good, so are Ferrari.. but............

does anyone REALLY think that Kimi would have been close if it had not been for the safety-car???
would Rubens have passed him in the pit-stop??

This race was decided on the first pit-stop due to excellent strategy by Ferrari........

with all these facts.................. just how can James "I don't have a clue" Allen call this a great race?? !!!!!!!!!!!!

**Aysedasi** · 11 Jul 2004, 13:46 (Ref:1033026)

Because F1 doesn't need overtaking or entertainment any more. Haven't you heard? Its all about competition - racing and passing and such other mundane things are secondary considerations to the sheer beauty of the sport..... That's why it was a great race!

**Craig** · 11 Jul 2004, 13:47 (Ref:1033029)

Amen! What a GREAT RACE!

erm...

f1manoz · 11 Jul 2004, 13:53 (Ref:1033041)

The safety-car certainly did bunch the field up. Ferrari had all bases covered once again.

Logrence · 11 Jul 2004, 15:34 (Ref:1033139)

It annoyed me that Allen was moaning about the fact that we'd missed out on a great race because Raikkonen was stuck with two backmarkers between him and Schumacher - firstly Raikkonen was a stop behind and had to take that stop anyway, so he was lucky not to have more people between himself and the lead Ferrari, and secondly that if the safety car hadn't come out, Raikkonen would have ended up a good 25 seconds behind at the end anyway.

A deceptively close finish, funny that we suddenly expect McLaren to have been challenging for that win considering their recent form.

F1 is a fickle world.

BootsOntheSide · 11 Jul 2004, 16:43 (Ref:1033241)

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Originally posted by Logrence
It annoyed me that Allen was moaning about the fact that we'd missed out on a great race because Raikkonen was stuck with two backmarkers between him and Schumacher - firstly Raikkonen was a stop behind and had to take that stop anyway, so he was lucky not to have more people between himself and the lead Ferrari, and secondly that if the safety car hadn't come out, Raikkonen would have ended up a good 25 seconds behind at the end anyway.

Precisely. Sadly, once again Ferrari outfoxed everyone else and Michael reaped the rewards. Funny that they didn't give Rubens the optimal strategy, but there you go...

johnh875 · 11 Jul 2004, 17:05 (Ref:1033274)

Personally I think that James Allen seems to wish he was Murray Walker, and I also don't rate his analysis or indeed commentary that highly. A lot of commentators forget that on tv they don't have to tell you what is happening on the screen.

Speed · 11 Jul 2004, 18:52 (Ref:1033357)

Nobody was at the same league of that #1 Ferrari. I think this car is so much better than 2001 or 2002 car. A piece of art, IMHO.

pole2pole · 12 Jul 2004, 14:21 (Ref:1034229)

I think where Kimi lost out big time was at the restart after the safety car period. There was two cars between him and MS a toyota and a jag. When they where making there way around to the restart the toyota of Da Matta was nowhere near Michael and with Kimi not able to pass till the start/finish line ended his chance of a win

**garcon** · 12 Jul 2004, 14:24 (Ref:1034233)

Definitely just you, crazystu...

James Allen knows his bananas, I don't know how any of you can criticise him...

shiny side up! · 12 Jul 2004, 14:32 (Ref:1034246)

I think it is a bunch of BS to bemoan Ferrari's strategy with Barichello at Silverstone. He had a chance at pole... more than TGF... so the team took a shot at it. Had he secured pole and beat Kimi off the line, he would have finshed ahead of the Mac. Add to that the fact that Ferrari really expected TGF to qualify back in 6th or 7th (which they admitted in all the interviews...) and would have been held up in traffic, I'm sure Rubens had just as likely a shot of winning as TGF when the strategy was decided before Quallies on Saturday.

Had Rubens also taken a 2-stop, people would be crying about Ferrari trying to keep him off the pole since he was faster than TGF in practice

**Bononi** · 12 Jul 2004, 14:53 (Ref:1034266)

If one thought that Ferrari was at its peak in 2002 then look at it now. The last race and this race showed that Ferrari is one or two level up than the others... almost "hours-concours" IMHO.

climb · 12 Jul 2004, 15:08 (Ref:1034282)

This year there's a new element of interest, the pit strategy.
Ferrari have proven terrificly creative this year, and every attempt of them succeded in surprising the competitors.

Gt_R · 12 Jul 2004, 15:18 (Ref:1034301)

I think it's utter cr@p people criticise Ferrari for giving MS "better" strategy and RB "inferior" strategy...it's a stupid accusation based on NOTHING.

Maybe people forgot that possibly it's MS who makes it possible to try a different strategy.

After Barcelona, a few people criticise how Ferrari always run RB on a heavier fuel load...having him qualify further back...claiming it is Ferrari's way of putting RB out of contention. MS's lighter load is better..blah blah..At Silverstone..the roles are reversed..and again..the criticisms are still there.

Correct...but pardon me..then WHY on earth are teams like Mclaren, Williams and BAR all running on the same strategy as RB, which is reportedly NOT OPTIMAL? Are the other teams plain dumb then?

In France, MS ran more pit stops than the rest - RB inc. In Silverstone, MS ran less pit stops than the rest - RB inc. And there are races where RB and MS run the same pitstops. There's no conspiracy to it... wake up

Stuart Hill · 12 Jul 2004, 18:13 (Ref:1034491)

Quote:

Originally posted by garcon
Definitely just you, crazystu...

James Allen knows his bananas, I don't know how any of you can criticise him...

so maybe he should become a greengrocer as he has no idea at all about what the viewing public want to hear.

Strange, that with all his monitors etc, he completely missed the fact that Rubens had jumped Jenson during pit-stops!!! But then again, it wasn't really important as Michael was leading!!!!!

Kicking-back · 12 Jul 2004, 18:46 (Ref:1034523)

James only has eyes for Michael, crazystu.

Always has, always will.

Panzer · 12 Jul 2004, 23:38 (Ref:1034824)

Well said....GT_R.

avsfan733 · 12 Jul 2004, 23:54 (Ref:1034828)

Its Ferraris job to win nothign else...they covered there bases with splitting the two stops, in case of the rain, as well as possibly catering strategy to the driver. Realize that the left foot braking of MS and the right foot braking of RB do create different fuel consumption rates as well as tire degredation issues I do agree that KR would have been farther back without the safety car. Anyone who talks about this being a good race because of that quasi competition is kidding when the clearly fastest car on the track has to deal with the clear second place finisher challenging is not a race its contrived. Honestly I would have liked to see Ferrari Short stop RB to get out in front of Kimi and delay him to secure the win for sure. Even at the cost of RB's position