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Old 12 Jul 2017, 18:24 (Ref:3750743)   #5341
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But they have placed 2nd-4th just about everywhere.
Obviously you can't sandbag to that great a degree, with the electronic monitoring IMSA does, but it seems the sensible play in modern racing (BoP classes) is to aim for podiums for most of the season, and you'll get hit less with the BoP Hammer, allowing you to get a more consistent haul of points over the course of the season.

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Old 13 Jul 2017, 16:28 (Ref:3750939)   #5342
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I think there must have been a BoP adjustment that really hurt Mercedes. The #33 car has slid down the grid lately. The consistent Scuderia Corse Ferrari is in the season title lead now without having won a race. But they have placed 2nd-4th just about everywhere.
The 488 is the best GT3 car available rite now -- not just in terms of ultimate pace, but in terms of drivability (look at the differences between Pros/Ams in the same cars across all the chassis). And when you're the only one running the car, it's pretty easy to control pace and results to keep from getting a negative BoP. But, they've still done a kick ass job... the class is super competitive. You can't just roll off the truck and poke around and get podiums every weekend, no matter what you're driving.

Compare that to the Mercs where there's multiple cars and one with a fast young guy from Europe who's trying to make a name for himself... even if the suits told him to "take it easy", once the helmet goes on that goes out the window. They might have been able to lobby for some BoP after Mosport until that car put in a super fast lap during the race, lol.

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Old 15 Jul 2017, 22:10 (Ref:3751529)   #5343
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This was a solid rant. Well done. Would read again and I agree.

Off topic from the paint job, does anyone else expect a Ferrari/bmw fight for the gtlm championship this year? Think about it: it's all bop nonsense, two years ago Porsche won, last year we got the Ford/Chevy battle, now it's Ferrari/bmw's turn. Then next year or the year after, whichever has a greater significance to the historic lemans battles, we'll get a Ford/Ferrari fight. One way or another, each make will get their turn in the spotlight over a four year or so span.
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The way this season has gone I can see why the prototype teams have time to think about 2018. DPI/LMP2 only have 3 races left. LMPC is down to just 2 races. The GT classes have 5 left. They are the busy ones. But that's a good thing now that GTs will really take mantle and grab most of the attention in the last part of this season. DPI will take a slight back seat for the rest of 2017 before the big Penske Acura debut at the Daytona tests/Roar.

Its hard to believe that BMW is in for a shot at the season GTLM title. That #25 car has turned the corner big time. Sims is fantastic (he did win the Spa 24 last year in a BMW) and Auberlen still has it.

I think there must have been a BoP adjustment that really hurt Mercedes. The #33 car has slid down the grid lately. The consistent Scuderia Corse Ferrari is in the season title lead now without having won a race. But they have placed 2nd-4th just about everywhere.
Hmm.... My post above was from before Daytona... Ferrari was fast but unlucky before leaving. But looks like this was those two make's year.

Even so, I'm enjoying the racing this year and not letting cynicism spoil some great racing.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 18:44 (Ref:3752485)   #5344
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Looks like 8 DPI's at most for Road America and Laguna Seca. But I am iffy on the status of PR1 Matehsian and VisitFlorida racing right now. Would not be surprised to see that drop.

I think the rest of 2017 is going to be focused on the GT races....as it should it.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 18:47 (Ref:3752486)   #5345
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Looks like 8 DPI's at most for Road America and Laguna Seca. But I am iffy on the status of PR1 Matehsian and VisitFlorida racing right now. Would not be surprised to see that drop.

I think the rest of 2017 is going to be focused on the GT races....as it should it.
PLM should be good with Rebellion and possibly Penske
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 20:41 (Ref:3752565)   #5346
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Yup! It has potential juiciness and I can't wait, whatever happens.

Now if we can just get the race itself back to 1,000 miles OR 10 hours.......
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 21:47 (Ref:3752589)   #5347
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Yup! It has potential juiciness and I can't wait, whatever happens.

Now if we can just get the race itself back to 1,000 miles OR 10 hours.......
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nah, 10 hours is good.

it was always whatever comes first.

now its just ten hours, potentially over 1k miles.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 22:31 (Ref:3752612)   #5349
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We do have to remember, to be fair, that nature didn't always agree that PLM should run to either 10 hours or 1000 miles; remember 2009 and 2015. Granted, having a flooded out track and a lot of clean up to do to allow the race to resume didn't help matters.

Fuji in 2013 and Silverstone in 2014 were other cases in point. You can't beat nature.

But for PLM I'd rather it go back to being time or distance. There's been 1000km races in the past that were called short of doing 1000km and becoming 6 hour+1 lap races as even those distance races still in reality had a 6 hour time limit.
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We do have to remember, to be fair, that nature didn't always agree that PLM should run to either 10 hours or 1000 miles; remember 2009 and 2015. Granted, having a flooded out track and a lot of clean up to do to allow the race to resume didn't help matters.

Fuji in 2013 and Silverstone in 2014 were other cases in point. You can't beat nature.

But for PLM I'd rather it go back to being time or distance. There's been 1000km races in the past that were called short of doing 1000km and becoming 6 hour+1 lap races as even those distance races still in reality had a 6 hour time limit.
Weather happens at times for many races....and I recall 2009 and 2015. I was there!

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nah, 10 hours is good.

it was always whatever comes first.

now its just ten hours, potentially over 1k miles.
You're WRONG! Distance race more better.

2016: 412 laps = 1046 miles
2015: The rain won
2014: 400 laps = 1016 miles

Times are harder to come by but I think the closest was early 2000s at 9.5 hours. Always went distance.
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From what I've seen on Racing Sports Cars, they don't give total time for distance events.
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Glad Mazda got a 'real' team to run their cars for next seasin. I'll miss them this year a little. I'm betting the multimatic/riley p2 will use it's joker if the Mazda is going to be based on it still. If multimatic is smart, they'll have Joest cooperation with the basis for the Mazda and work from there. Once you get the fundamentals right the rest should fall into place. Maybe the cockpit won't be so darn wide next year. We'll see, but this is really awesome news!
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 23:25 (Ref:3752624)   #5353
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I correct myself, the 1998 event went 10 hours at 391 laps.

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From what I've seen on Racing Sports Cars, they don't give total time for distance events.
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1998 - 10 hours (391 laps), Doyle-Risi Ferrrari 333 SP, van de Poele, Taylor Collard
1999 - 8:56, Panoz LMP, Brabham, Bernard, Wallace Fastest Average Speed at 111.914 mph
2000 - 9:08, Audi R8, Capello, McNish, Alboreto
2001 - 9:15, Audi R8, Biela, Pirro
2002 - 9:27, Audi R8, Kristensen, Capello
2003 - 9:31, Audi R8, Lehto, Herbert
2004 - 9:35, Audi R8, Lehto, Werner
2005 - 9:16, Audi R8, Pirro, Biela
2006 - 9:16, Audi R10, McNish, Capello
2007 - 9:18, Audi R10, McNish, Capello
2008 - 9:41, Audi R10, McNish, Capello, Pirro
2009 - RAIN - 184 LAPS, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Sarrazin
2010 - 9:10, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Lamy, Sarrazin
2011 - 9:34, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Lamy, Sarrazin
2012 - 9:37, Lola B12/60 (Rebellion) Belicchi, Jani, Prost
2013 - 9:37, Lola B12/60 (Rebellion) Heidfeld, Jani, Prost


10 hours means more racing, but I like the added element of either/or.

And yes, I have nothing better to do ATM.

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Weather happens at times for many races....and I recall 2009 and 2015. I was there!



You're WRONG! Distance race more better.

2016: 412 laps = 1046 miles
2015: The rain won
2014: 400 laps = 1016 miles

Times are harder to come by but I think the closest was early 2000s at 9.5 hours. Always went distance.
I like endurance races to be based on time. Plus, if we're ever going to get a better media package, it needs to end at a set time.

I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs.

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I like endurance races to be based on time. Plus, if we're ever going to get a better media package, it needs to end at a set time.

I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs.

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I'm picking up what you're throwing down. I like consistency and history, and the uniqueness that PLM was from the onset. I also love tracking lap counts. However, after supper on Saturday, tracking the clock is and has always been much easier than lap counts!
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