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16 Jul 2017, 11:28 (Ref:3751650)
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Originally Posted by bella
i'm not sure why any team would willingly walk into a honda deal unless it was a genuine case of not surviving financially if they don't?
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Indeed, That could be the case for at least 3 teams!!
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16 Jul 2017, 11:28 (Ref:3751651)
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Originally Posted by bella
i'm not sure why any team would willingly walk into a honda deal unless it was a genuine case of not surviving financially if they don't?
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It is perhaps a leap of faith for Red Bull
Imagine if the Honda gets good in a hurry...
They can switch engines for the following year into the main team
Winning..
Or if it poops itself, its only STR....
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16 Jul 2017, 14:28 (Ref:3751777)
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Another dismal afternoon for the Spaniard. Back of the grid so they change a lot of engine parts rather than have to do so in Budapest, and the thing goes phut. How much longer can he put up with this?
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16 Jul 2017, 17:46 (Ref:3751941)
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Not for much longer he might as well start his own team and get a Mercedes engine
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16 Jul 2017, 19:07 (Ref:3751959)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bella
i'm not sure why any team would willingly walk into a honda deal unless it was a genuine case of not surviving financially if they don't?
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Because Honda are works multinational giant with a championship/race winning pedigree. So there's nothing to lose for a lower-midfield team and may just be the ladder needed for them to get into the big time even if it's a few years down the road.
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16 Jul 2017, 19:39 (Ref:3751972)
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Originally Posted by F1Guy
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Hmmm. I just don't see it happening.
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16 Jul 2017, 22:16 (Ref:3752044)
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Hmmm. I just don't see it happening.
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Based on what? The earliest there can really be any conclusiveness is going to be at the test in Hungary where he will run the 2017 car.
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17 Jul 2017, 04:38 (Ref:3752064)
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I have been thinking that the STR / Honda hookup could be on the cards for a while now. it makes good sense for both parties - STR is more out of the limelight than Mclaren so its a bit less painful for all involved. RBR is desperate for anything to bring them up the grid, this gives them a chance to eval and keep Honda in the back pocket while they get their crap together. if Honda somehow develops into a world beater, RBR can potentially pull the switcheroo like they did previously with Ferrari / Renault. this also serves to put Renault under a little pressure to keep on top of things.
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17 Jul 2017, 09:51 (Ref:3752100)
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Sorry, should've used the word rumours instead of news in my last post. Rumours may or may not be true, but the news is always true. 
Meanwhile.... Zak and Co look like they got lost and ended up at Renault.
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Originally Posted by Articus
The earliest there can really be any conclusiveness is going to be at the test in Hungary where he will run the 2017 car.
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Kubica driving at the Hungary test?? Has this been confirmed? Have not heard of this.
Yet to be confirmed, but it looks like Charles Leclerc will be driving for Ferrari at the upcoming test in what looks like a 11th hour decision by Ferrari. Let the rumours begin! 
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17 Jul 2017, 13:32 (Ref:3752146)
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Kubica driving at the Hungary test?? Has this been confirmed? Have not heard of this.
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Based on this article on Pf1 Kubica will participate in the test after Hungary. However, I have also read a comment from Abiteboul just now that it's too early to say if Rober we be in budapest. I didn't know that Pf1 posted rumours as fact.... With that sorry about the confusion. I think it's likely.
http://www.planetf1.com/news/another...er-for-kubica/
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17 Jul 2017, 13:55 (Ref:3752152)
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Buying in to the Kubica story, which I don't believe, would Kubica even be eligible for a Super Licence?
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17 Jul 2017, 15:47 (Ref:3752171)
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Buying in to the Kubica story, which I don't believe, would Kubica even be eligible for a Super Licence?
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I don't know a great deal about FIA driver licensing, but from a tiny bit of reading... I assume he has a grade A license given he was part of the ByKolles LMP1 program (he left the team before actually racing). Otherwise, I don't see him fitting any of the established "experience" requirements for a Super License. He doesn't meet the current driver provisions (must have raced in F1 within past three years) and he does not meeting the current "regular test driver" provisions (wasn't a test driver for anyone last year). To fit into the exception clause it looks like he would be required to fulfill the 300KM testing provision. I haven't been following him closely, so I don't know if his recent testing counts toward that or not.
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17 Jul 2017, 22:50 (Ref:3752279)
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Originally Posted by Richard Casto
I don't know a great deal about FIA driver licensing, but from a tiny bit of reading... I assume he has a grade A license given he was part of the ByKolles LMP1 program (he left the team before actually racing). Otherwise, I don't see him fitting any of the established "experience" requirements for a Super License. He doesn't meet the current driver provisions (must have raced in F1 within past three years) and he does not meeting the current "regular test driver" provisions (wasn't a test driver for anyone last year). To fit into the exception clause it looks like he would be required to fulfill the 300KM testing provision. I haven't been following him closely, so I don't know if his recent testing counts toward that or not.
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Thanks Richard.
From here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIA_Super_Licence
it would appear there is a loophole available
" Under exceptional circumstances Appendix L also allows the FIA to award a Super Licence to a driver who does not meet the normal criteria if a vote reveals unanimous agreement by the members, and provided that the driver has completed 300 kilometres of testing at racing speeds in a current car."
Nice to see that Seb Loeb would have stood a chance of qualifying under the new system.
Formula E series points toward the super license seem to be very generous!
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18 Jul 2017, 06:39 (Ref:3752314)
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Kubica has driven a current car. Well... sort of. He has driven the 2017 RBR in their simulator, which is one of the most realistic F1 simulators currently available. It's the next best thing to driving an actual F1 car, minus the g-forces.
I have no doubt that if Kubica is 100% ready, and even if he'd only done half the required km's in a current car, that he would be given a superlicence under 'very' exceptional circumstances.
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18 Jul 2017, 09:47 (Ref:3752350)
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When it comes to a superlicence there shouldn't be "very exception circumstances". You either meet the criteria or you don't.
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