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Old 16 Jul 2017, 08:40 (Ref:3751592)   #151
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I like that idea, more races! Might also be good to get the people interested that say they don't have time to watch a 6 hour race.
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Old 16 Jul 2017, 14:42 (Ref:3751798)   #152
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Good to hear the new Aston testing next week. I also can't remember where I picked this up, but I believe BMW's M8 GTE car hit the track last week.
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Old 17 Jul 2017, 15:16 (Ref:3752165)   #153
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Old 17 Jul 2017, 19:28 (Ref:3752221)   #154
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In LMP1, if Porsche decide to leave, then Toyota will have to decide what to do. Will they get what in theory should be an easy win, or will they leave because of a lack of direct competition?

IMO, we're getting mixed messages from Toyota. They say that they race mostly for R&D value, but at the same time they've stated a preference for at least one other team to be a direct competitor.

The best thing is that if both Porsche and Toyota leave, it could make LMP1 at LM and the WEC next year a free for all. The slate will be entirely wiped clean, which is something that hasn't happened to such a degree for nearly 25 years.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 01:28 (Ref:3752293)   #155
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In LMP1, if Porsche decide to leave, then Toyota will have to decide what to do. Will they get what in theory should be an easy win, or will they leave because of a lack of direct competition?

IMO, we're getting mixed messages from Toyota. They say that they race mostly for R&D value, but at the same time they've stated a preference for at least one other team to be a direct competitor.

The best thing is that if both Porsche and Toyota leave, it could make LMP1 at LM and the WEC next year a free for all. The slate will be entirely wiped clean, which is something that hasn't happened to such a degree for nearly 25 years.
The last real free for all was back in 1995 and that was the year the McLarens won overall. The year before in 1994 was crazy too. The Dauer 962 won as a quasi GT1 car. Cool to note the Nissan GTS cars that won the 36 hours of Florida entered Le Mans and finished 5th.

I agree with your statement for sure. I think we'll know what Porsche does by the end of the month. I hope Toyota will decide quickly what to do after that. The privateer teams won't do anything until both manufacturers announce their intentions.

Then again Toyota could pull something like a Le Mans only run in 2018.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 02:47 (Ref:3752300)   #156
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As far as I'm concerned, in my opinion, Toyota will either be gone at the end of the season dependent on what Porsche does, or they'll run the full season next year. I don't think the ACO will be too happy to let Toyota do a LM only program, or even a partial season program (Silverstone, Spa, LM and Fuji depending on the 2018 schedule).
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 03:07 (Ref:3752302)   #157
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As far as I'm concerned, in my opinion, Toyota will either be gone at the end of the season dependent on what Porsche does, or they'll run the full season next year. I don't think the ACO will be too happy to let Toyota do a LM only program, or even a partial season program (Silverstone, Spa, LM and Fuji depending on the 2018 schedule).
Is the WEC even allowed to exist if Porsche pulls out of LMP1 under their own bylaws?
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 03:13 (Ref:3752303)   #158
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I've asked that because the WEC is a multi-class formula. In GTE, you have four car makers involved (Porsche, Ferrari, Ford and Aston Martin). That's more than twice what the FIA recommend for a World Championship. You also have to remember that the FIA also gave WC status to the SRO's GT1 World Championship, even though there were no factory teams involved.

So do they count car makers by marque, or by direct factory involvement? And what do the rules say about a series with multiple classes in it?
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 06:51 (Ref:3752318)   #159
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I've always wondered what is required to call someone a manufacturer. For example, the 1995 F1 season had 1 works team - Ferrari. All of the rest were private entries using engine supplies.

So why is that not acceptable now? Why do you need a full factory effort? Why is a Nissan engine in a ByKolles not the same as a Renault engine in a Williams? As chernaudi correctly points out, the GT1 World Championship involved no manufacturers and was a world championship.

I never really understood why there needs to be direct manufacturer involvement in all aspects of the car to classify it as a world championship. It's a championship...that goes around the world.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 14:23 (Ref:3752412)   #160
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There is the FIA Sporting Code which at least used to have some requirements for World Championship, but it is often repeated in media the contract between ACO and FIA stipulates at least two manufacturers in the World Endurance Manufacturers' Championship. If that's what it literally says, then clearly GTE won't count.

I remember in 2012 there was talk about a plan B to get HPD/Strakka counted as a manufacturer before Toyota committed to full season.

It could be just up to FIA to decide what to do and whether GTE might be a backup. Makes little sense to take away the World Championship status only to possibly reinstate it two years later if situation improves.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 14:26 (Ref:3752415)   #161
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I remember in 2012 there was talk about a plan B to get HPD/Strakka counted as a manufacturer before Toyota committed to full season.
Well, come to think of it, why wouldn't Ginetta count? They're a manufacturer of motor vehicles. Could you not stick an Alpine badge on the engine (Mecachrome, they're french) and have another?
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 15:23 (Ref:3752435)   #162
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Anymore I don't think that the ACO or FIA half the time know what they're taking about anyways, considering that both bodies can enforce whatever rules however they want, or don't enforce them.
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 18:27 (Ref:3752510)   #163
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Am I the only one to think that this new deal "Joest & Mazda" could bring them back to Le Mans in the new set of rules in 2020?!?!?!
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 18:48 (Ref:3752524)   #164
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Am I the only one to think that this new deal "Joest & Mazda" could bring them back to Le Mans in the new set of rules in 2020?!?!?!
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 19:15 (Ref:3752540)   #165
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Naw, the DPi campaign (even when factoring in the Joest mark-up) will still be less than 20% of what one needs to spend on a P1 program... I don't think Mazda have that kind of cash lying around.
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