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Old 15 Jul 2011, 23:33 (Ref:2927257)   #16
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Wow... it seems I was wrong here. I'm quite shocked.
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 01:16 (Ref:2927285)   #17
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Just unearthed this recent video of the FIA conducting crash tests on two different strength canopies.



Not quite sure what to think! All the drivers know that when they step into the car there is a chance they might not be stepping out alive, is this just a belated knee-jerk reaction to the accidents of Henry Surtees and Felipe Massa? I'd be interested in seeing what sort of damage a suspension spring could do to one of those canopies...

Fantastic idea, let's do it..
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 02:10 (Ref:2927293)   #18
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So, do they then require aircon in the cockpit or would that be covered by some sort of g-suit implementation in a package deal?

But then if one was going to all that trouble why not go the whole way and take the driver out of the car altogether? Let's face it right now they are little more than the top of decorated helmets as far as the spectators are concerned so why not just paint the helmet onto the car and let the drivers control it rom somewhere safe?

Or just run the things controlled by some sort of FIA approved Simulated Driver software. Maybe even crowd source the inputs from the trackside to give spectators a sense of real involvement.

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Old 16 Jul 2011, 10:19 (Ref:2927358)   #19
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But hang on a sec, F1 have been seriously thinking about using closed canopies for decades. This isn't really a brand new issue.
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 11:03 (Ref:2927368)   #20
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I'm pretty sure there was a car in the 60's with a perspex canopy and a wooden chassis?

I think its great that the FIA are testing these kinds of things, and they probably test a lot of other things too that we don't really see.

I wouldn't mind the canopy. The WSC cars (near the time of the WSC's death) had canopies that could be flipped open and had lots of F1 tech involved.
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 14:48 (Ref:2927430)   #21
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I think the idea is a good one, however getting the driver out of the car in case of an emergency would prove to be very time consuming, the canopy would have to be lifted somehow? Then you have the problem with the release mechanism..

So I am not sure it is a very practical solution at the end of the day..
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 16:35 (Ref:2927444)   #22
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Do Moto GP forums have these types of discussions or do they just get on with it?
Do any of them have enough fingers remaining or unbroken to type?
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 16:38 (Ref:2927446)   #23
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The big problem is getting at a driver in the car when it's upside down. Either the car will need a door or every marshals post will need cutting gear and I can't see the teams being too keen on getting the cars back in small bits.
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 19:46 (Ref:2927484)   #24
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I cant imagine its hard to make a quick release canopy. Hell if a jet fighter can do it at 700 knots (mph?) im sure with the seemingly unlimited resources of F1 they can come up with something.
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Old 16 Jul 2011, 20:16 (Ref:2927495)   #25
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I cant imagine its hard to make a quick release canopy. Hell if a jet fighter can do it at 700 knots (mph?) im sure with the seemingly unlimited resources of F1 they can come up with something.
Making a quick release canopy isn't the problem.....of course the teams can do it....but there are other issues, as being raised here.

I'm sure the FIA would want a universal quick release method so that rescue personnel do not need to learn the intricacies of each teams system....

A fighter pilot will (generally) be right way up, with a clear path ahead to eject into, not upside down wedged against a barrier...

Only a handful of aircrew have ejected at speeds of 700kts or higher - usually ejection takes place at much lower speeds when the crew have determined that the aircraft is unlikely to be recoverable from it's abnormal or unplanned flight path/trim, and impact with the ground or other object is inevitable...
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In the good 'ol days there was virtually no difference between F1 & sportscars (in fact it was quite common for a few changes to be done on a car between races on the same bill to allow it to run both).

The indycar reject Deltawing will run Le Mans next year & now this - are we coming full circle?
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In the good 'ol days there was virtually no difference between F1 & sportscars (in fact it was quite common for a few changes to be done on a car between races on the same bill to allow it to run both).

The indycar reject Deltawing will run Le Mans next year & now this - are we coming full circle?

F1 and Sports Cars same program and not Formula Libre!

When? 1956?


"The indycar reject Deltawing will run Le Mans next year"

That thing is just complete rubbish and surrounded by so much spin and BS - believe that when you see it actually turn a lap, and then make the grid.

Personally I would love to take a bet against it racing there or anywhere else, although any right thinking bookie would give you the same odds of winning the lottery!
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Surprised that it has happened sooner really. My thinking is, that it would help the 'aero' out and make F1 cars quicker. Not having a driver in the way, but a smooth surface.
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I'm pretty sure there was a car in the 60's with a perspex canopy and a wooden chassis?
Yes, a Frank Costin design, I think? I have been trying to remember the name of it.

Not a full canopy, more like a half with a horizontal slit at eye level.
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i am okay with this idea- if prototypes can run with out fear of trapping a driver when it flips. however this will change the formula a lot, and how far doe it go to Formula ford, or Karts? F1 and GP2 or build a cage of sorts around the driver-
i can't think of many World of Outlaw or Midget/ sprint USAC silver crown head accidents from debris, and someone goes end over end in every race.
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