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Old 19 Sep 2014, 15:42 (Ref:3455088)   #31
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Even LMP3 sounds more exciting.
Well if 2017 LMP2 can resemble DTM or Japan Super GT, then that will be fine with me.

That sounds like a non tubed frame DP concept mentioned earlier.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 15:45 (Ref:3455089)   #32
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Well if 2017 LMP2 can resemble DTM or Japan Super GT, then that will be fine with me.
That would not happen as LMP2 and Super GT/DTM are different things, especially when it comes to the chassis tub design as well as other things like spec transmission, suspension, etc.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 15:48 (Ref:3455090)   #33
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****ing ***** whoever thought this up. deserves a deltawing shoved in his ass. manufacturer-branded bodywork what is this, a deepee??????? branding cues on the bodywork, go **** yourself imsa.

finally the struggling p2 category was becoming interesting with the zytek, hpd coupe etc coming and now THIS.

maybe there is some good news "each championship (WEC, IMSA, etc.) will be responsible for their own adjustments" - so... wretched deepees only in NA? while europe, wec and the ALMS (hehe) will use normal bodywork? im ok with that...

lmp1 monocoque, dimensions that sounds great....
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 15:53 (Ref:3455094)   #34
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****ing ***** whoever thought this up. deserves a deltawing shoved in his ass. manufacturer-branded bodywork what is this, a deepee??????? branding cues on the bodywork, go **** yourself imsa.

finally the struggling p2 category was becoming interesting with the zytek, hpd coupe etc coming and now THIS.

maybe there is some good news "each championship (WEC, IMSA, etc.) will be responsible for their own adjustments" - so... wretched deepees only in NA? while europe, wec and the ALMS (hehe) will use normal bodywork? im ok with that...

lmp1 monocoque, dimensions that sounds great....
GM brought it up, because they don't want to spend the money to make a Corvette LMP1 so they instead want to change the future of P2 so they can have manufacturer branded P2 on the cheap.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 16:00 (Ref:3455099)   #35
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****ing ***** whoever thought this up. deserves a deltawing shoved in his ass. manufacturer-branded bodywork what is this, a deepee??????? branding cues on the bodywork, go **** yourself imsa.

finally the struggling p2 category was becoming interesting with the zytek, hpd coupe etc coming and now THIS.

maybe there is some good news "each championship (WEC, IMSA, etc.) will be responsible for their own adjustments" - so... wretched deepees only in NA? while europe, wec and the ALMS (hehe) will use normal bodywork? im ok with that...

lmp1 monocoque, dimensions that sounds great....
That's how it goes... If you can't tell to GM how stupid their idea is, deal with it!
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 16:01 (Ref:3455101)   #36
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maybe there is some good news "each championship (WEC, IMSA, etc.) will be responsible for their own adjustments" - so... wretched deepees only in NA? while europe, wec and the ALMS (hehe) will use normal bodywork? im ok with that...
I have a hard time believing that the ACO will be promoting a spec P2.

I also can't believe IMSA would kick out teams in 2017 who will be running the new HPD or Ligier or maybe the Oreca beginning next year. So at the very least if you buy a new P2 for next year you will likely be grandfathered in for 2017.

My favorite quote from the article is the one where their target speed is "between LMP1 and GTE" wow, thanks for that.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 16:03 (Ref:3455104)   #37
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But P2 is meant to be a cost-capped class, right?
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 16:41 (Ref:3455131)   #38
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correct.

So the problem is not making P2 basically a spec category but it being the top class in US sportscar & GT racing. The ACO has P1 to cater for more diversity and could always decide to bring the Light subclass of it back to the ELMS to satisfy the need for more technical freedom (and probably speed).

Since it looks like (even though it's still early days) P2 will not be evolved into P2+ or something (current P2 platform with more power and liberal tire regs), P1-L is the only hope for some decent speed and technology driven cars. Afraid though that it won't happen...
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 16:49 (Ref:3455136)   #39
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Somewhere between gte and lmp1= dp's version 4, or is it 5? Nothing new and innovative. Spec floor, brakes, tires, suspension, tub... sounds awfully familiar.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 17:24 (Ref:3455152)   #40
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I'm sure Mike Shank will find a way to complain about the cost of this new spec DP car... I mean P2 as well. Updating cars every ~five years, blasphemy.

So I guess 2017/18 hopes and prayers are diminishing here too
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But P2 is meant to be a cost-capped class, right?
Yes, and the current cap was difficult to meet for constructors/impossible when building a coupe.

I'd think that that's one of the reasons for an increased use of spec parts - makes it easier for constructors to make a profit under a cap.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 23:21 (Ref:3455324)   #42
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spec common tub
spec brakes
spec dampers
spec radiators
spec underbody
spec ECU
spec tires (USCC (assumed since Conti-Hoosier contract continues))

How exciting... ...
IMSA has systematically destroyed nearly everything sportscar fans loved about our sport.
They are turning it into just another spec boring average form of motorsport/entertainment.

I'm really beginning to realize that there are so many better ways to spend my time and money.
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Old 19 Sep 2014, 23:54 (Ref:3455341)   #43
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I feel exactly like TRSpitfireFan ... If this really is the future of P2, and particularly if P2 will be the top class in North America .. I will have to seriously consider not following the sport any more.

A bunch of identical cars with "styling cue" bodywork? What a joke for the top tier of professional sports car racing. NASCAR or DTM with pointy noses and mid-engines? No thank you.

Rolex proved that Daytona Prototypes' governing philosophy didn't guarantee either close racing or low costs--and alienated most of the fans. So ... why not try that same formula again, on a larger scale?

Because it will fail on a lager scale.

The problem here is that ACO-FIA would be just as happy with TUSC either dead or dying, and WEC can afford to have lackluster spec P2 cars because the class has P1. TUSC, with no P1, will be stuck with cars that WEC considers too unimportant to really count.

ACO-FIA can mandate spec P2s because it won't hurt the overall popularity--people are there for the P1s and the GT-Pros. In that case, low-cost spec P2s make sense.

For TUSC, having a car not even as good as current P2s as the top class ... I am already looking forward to taking out the bicycle on the weekends.
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Old 20 Sep 2014, 00:29 (Ref:3455359)   #44
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I hope they make them faster then what we have now.

The price of a P2 has creeped up over time so I can see why their doing this.
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Rolex proved that Daytona Prototypes' governing philosophy didn't guarantee either close racing or low costs--and alienated most of the fans. So ... why not try that same formula again, on a larger scale?

Because it will fail on a lager scale.
You know, it would be nice if future prototypes are faster than the current regulations. But alas, I feel the same way as they didn't even open up like tires, ECU, and brakes.

P2 maybe a cost-capped class, but IMSA can make it better instead of screwing it up!
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