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Old 24 Oct 2016, 03:58 (Ref:3682387)   #31
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You're less likely to write one off, compared to a ute, which are up there in terms of build costs. And if you seriously bin one of those, there's not a whole lot you'll be able to salvage.
The figures the organisers are talking about is a $60k build cost on top of the purchase of the ute.

I am just not sure a bunch of diesels droning around is going to be a patch on the current V8s.

I was over in Texas with friends and took over some of the current utes racing at Bathurst and the guys went nuts for it.

Reality is though if they want any kind of manufacturer involvement it has to be a product that people buy, so here we are.
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 04:08 (Ref:3682388)   #32
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The purchase costs and build costs for the utes will vary wildly, though. Not everyone is buying them new, nor are starting from scratch.

I would consider using either of the V8 engines currently used in the series, to power whatever they're using next. I don't think turbo diesel is the go. Development and maintenance costs will put that idea to bed.
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 04:14 (Ref:3682390)   #33
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The technical specification for the pick-ups will include a control rollcage, cosmetic aero additions, a control Motec ECU and the possibility of a control transmission and rear axle assembly.

The performance kit will include an exhaust, front and rear shock absorbers and springs, six-piston front and four-piston rear brake callipers and front and rear discs, a pedal box and master-cylinder with brake-bias adjustment, control tyres and control wheels.
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 05:57 (Ref:3682401)   #34
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Is Utes considered a "feeder/development"category or more somewhere for those with cash to have a bit of a crack?
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Is Utes considered a "feeder/development"category or more somewhere for those with cash to have a bit of a crack?
Not too many full time blokes in that class have made it up the Supercar tree on a regular basis.. certainly not purely on the back of talent anyway..


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Old 24 Oct 2016, 09:19 (Ref:3682420)   #36
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Is Utes considered a "feeder/development"category or more somewhere for those with cash to have a bit of a crack?
Is it more just a reasonable affordable 3rd (or 4th) level national category for those that arent as gifted as the top couple of categories, but still a handy steerer (plus those with some cash to have a bit of a crack)
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 10:11 (Ref:3682437)   #37
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The UK are going to race the Ssangyong diesel utes.(Belgium too) The 2014 ready to go cost of a SSangyong ute in caged race trim was NZ$34.5K, the 2017 show room cost of a base model V8 Holden ute is NZ$56.5K

There is one Ssangyong super ute in NZ that is similar to V8 utes in performance. The Ssangyong has a custom turbo engine, tti sequential, Brembos, a fair bit of tubing.
http://www.themotorhood.com/themotor...ust-got-ripped
https://youtu.be/ipLm_qEi12Q?t=57s (engine sound)

V8 utes appear to a hobby motorsport in Aus for the likes of Kim Jane, Peter Ward etc. Usually better to concentrate on quality sponsors rather than manufacturers.
A possible powertrain for the Super utes - control LS engine with close coupled Albins sequential (even if you have to chop the fire wall, control brakes and sus. and run a beam axle compared to the Supercars irs.

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Old 24 Oct 2016, 23:34 (Ref:3682602)   #38
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The solution to this is simple (or not): Run various marque bodies in the Stadium trucks.
I thoguht the same thing when I saw the recent SCA ad with 4 of these trucks wearing different oil brands.

What they are proposing to replace the V8 utes with will be a watered down version of what the Stadium trucks are doing.
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 23:41 (Ref:3682604)   #39
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And ultimately less popular. Bang for bucks wise, Stadium Trucks will give manufacturers more incentive to join the series than a field of droning diesel, body rolling work utes.
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I thoguht the same thing when I saw the recent SCA ad with 4 of these trucks wearing different oil brands.

What they are proposing to replace the V8 utes with will be a watered down version of what the Stadium trucks are doing.
I really dont think its a competitor to stadium trucks. To even compare them is probably not wise

They are basically a hotted up production vehicle. To race on a track

Stadium trucks are purpose built vehicle with a history of racing on dirt
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Old 24 Oct 2016, 23:54 (Ref:3682608)   #41
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Have to say that so far there is nothing I find interesting about this suggested series.
Biggest concern I have is how it might look for the series & for motor sport in general. CO2 is the big pollutant enemy these days & that's what diesels pump out - add in particulates & visible smoke & the risk with this series is that it could be a big turn off for many casual event visitors.
Hope I'm proven wrong but that's my concern.
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Old 25 Oct 2016, 00:00 (Ref:3682611)   #42
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Have to say that so far there is nothing I find interesting about this suggested series.
Biggest concern I have is how it might look for the series & for motor sport in general. CO2 is the big pollutant enemy these days & that's what diesels pump out - add in particulates & visible smoke & the risk with this series is that it could be a big turn off for many casual event visitors.
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Im sure you said the same when the original ute series came out. Good news though, your not the target audience so you dont need to worry.

You seem to have an interest in the CO2, can you give me the comparison between a XR8 ute and SuperUte, Feel free to chuck in a Gt3 lambo if you want as well.

Let me help, straight up the SuperUte is the lowest CO2 producer of the 3

If you are worried about CO2 you probably shouldnt be into motorsport

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Old 25 Oct 2016, 00:01 (Ref:3682612)   #43
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Biggest concern I have is how it might look for the series & for motor sport in general. CO2 is the big pollutant enemy these days & that's what diesels pump out - add in particulates & visible smoke & the risk with this series is that it could be a big turn off for many casual event visitors.
Hope I'm proven wrong but that's my concern.
The thing about diesels is not really true. Nothing produced after 2005 will produce black smoke.

CO2 output of diesel is about 10% higher than petrol per litre burned, but diesels use a fair bit less than even the most efficient petrol engines so it is line ball on CO2.

Nitrogen oxides would probably be the place to criticise diesels, but very efficient modern petrol engines are not far behind either.
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The current V8 Aus ute teams(who want to stay with V8 utes rather than building diesl utes with unknown running costs) might talk to the https://historicracing.com.au/ in many places the historics pull good crowds. There is also livestreaming now if the V8 utes want to avoid the live broadcast television companies for wider coverage and do delayed highlights packages. The Kumho series is another place for the V8 utes http://v8touringcars.com.au/ (for 5 rounds) and at the Aus GT events that the Superutes are not at.

I cannot imagine the NZ v8 ute teams want to park up or throw away their V8 utes. Hopefully there will be some cheap V8 race utes that can be used in NZ when the Australian teams have finished with them.

"Sieders is unsure whether or where he will be racing next season when the SuperUtes category – featuring dual-cab, diesel-powered utes – takes over.

“There’s lots of things up in the air depending on how many people from the current series actually go across,’’ he said.

“I’ve already heard talk of other people coming into the category because of how excited they are about the new ute.

“There’s definite optimism at the moment, so hopefully we get the build specs pretty soon so we can start working out manufacturers and all that sort of stuff."

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Im sure you said the same when the original ute series came out. Good news though, your not the target audience so you dont need to worry.

You seem to have an interest in the CO2, can you give me the comparison between a XR8 ute and SuperUte, Feel free to chuck in a Gt3 lambo if you want as well.

Let me help, straight up the SuperUte is the lowest CO2 producer of the 3

If you are worried about CO2 you probably shouldnt be into motorsport
You're right on the current utes peck, don't find them interesting at all and never have. To me this is an opportunity to step it up but so far that doesn't look like it'll be the case.

As Mixer has pointed out in regard to CO2, the SuperUte would be the highest of the 3, so you have that 180 degrees wrong but I take his point that the difference is not that great.

I'm not that worried personally about CO2 but there are many who are and seeing a field of utes possible smoking around (bear in mind they'll have modified exhausts so may smoke less than a stock vehicle) may give them ammo to throw at the series and motor sport in general - that is my concern. It is a question of perception and in particular how the series might be perceived and used by those outside the sport.
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