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Old 17 Mar 2017, 05:04 (Ref:3719281)   #1
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Ricciardo vs Verstappen 2017

Forget Hamilton vs Bottas, this will be the inter-team battle of 2017 I think.

Both will be at a equal footing skills wise this year I think. Daniel had a slight edge in quali, but Max was slightly better in the races last year. Max with more experience now will probably take it to Daniel in quali. Given the 2017 cars are more physical to race with, Daniel might have the slightest advantage here. And if you believe the conspiracy theories, Max is the favoured one in the team, so this will give Max a slight advantage here.

Going by what has been (mostly what hasn't been ) from the 2 pre season tests, the RB13 is expected to be the nearest challenger to the Mercedes this year. If so, this should be an interesting battle to watch.

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Old 17 Mar 2017, 13:56 (Ref:3719384)   #2
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The only hope is the car is good enough to challenge for wins reguarly, then we can really see what they are made of
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Old 17 Mar 2017, 14:09 (Ref:3719388)   #3
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I agree that it'll be an interesting battle to watch(although don't rule out the Mercedes' one). Especially if Red Bull get their act together and give them both a decent car to challenge for wins. Then we get some excitement. I also hope that it'll be Mercedes and Red Bull pushing one another this year.
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Old 17 Mar 2017, 14:32 (Ref:3719398)   #4
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I wouldn't rule out some excitement at Ferrari. Once Kimi was re-signed last year, he really took the fight to Seb. If he can bring his A-game right from Melbourne, he might give Seb something to think about (and that chewing sound is me eating my hat, as I was saying last year that Ferrari should have dropped Räikkönen).
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Just a thought. If the RB13 does turn out to be competitive, with Dan and Max fighting for wins/podiums, it will only make it easier for Lewis to win the WDC.


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Old 20 Mar 2017, 05:15 (Ref:3720105)   #6
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Just a thought. If the RB13 does turn out to be competitive, with Dan and Max fighting for wins/podiums, it will only make it easier for Lewis to win the WDC.


How on earth does another two drivers in the mix to take points away make it easier for your boy?
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How on earth does another two drivers in the mix to take points away make it easier for your boy?
Because they will fight each other, and one or t'other or both will end up with a poor race strategy as the variables get mixed up.
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How on earth does another two drivers in the mix to take points away make it easier for your boy?
Assuming the RBR and AMG cars are equal in performance, it's simple maths. If the RB13 wins half the races, with the RBR boys taking equal wins (and points) off each other, while HAM wins the other half of the races, with the other podium positions also shared equally between the 3 of them, HAM will win the WDC. I don't believe BOT will be a factor, and will not bother RIC, VES and HAM if the RB13 and W08 are equal in performance.

Now if RBR was to give one driver priority, say RIC, and instruct VES to let RIC finish ahead, and VES to finish ahead of HAM, then RIC could well be WDC. Just like the good old Schumacher/Ferrari days. Remember those days, when F1 was so boring and so predictable? Aah.. those were the days.
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I don't think you can write Bottas off so easily. I don't think he'll be champion this year, but I think he'll win a race at least, perhaps more.
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Now if RBR was to give one driver priority, say RIC, and instruct VES to let RIC finish ahead, and VES to finish ahead of HAM, then RIC could well be WDC. Just like the good old Schumacher/Ferrari days. Remember those days, when F1 was so boring and so predictable? Aah.. those were the days.
I seriously hope this isn't what happens........

I can see no reason at all to favour Ricciardo over Verstappen.
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RBR don't tend to favour one driver that bluntly. It isn't like Schumacher at Ferrari where Rubens had to fetch Michael some drinks. RBR did put orders on Vettel for safety, for Webber to win a race. RBR always did what was best for the team overall - just unfortunately for the popular Australian that usually meant the irritating German won.

I don't see RBR coming out with team orders like that.
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It's unfortunate for ricciardo, who may very well be the 2nd or third best driver in the field that his teammate might be the best or soon to be best. Verstappen has some otherworldly qualities that no one else has. Maybe some of that will fade as he matures and stops thinking he's invincible with some of his moves, who knows. But I think both could beat Hamilton in equal cars as much if not more than he beats them. But with f1 going younger and younger, ricciardo is close to being looked at as getting too old for not having been a championship contender yet. I would like to see both win a title eventually, but I think Verstappen will be this generation's best, not hamilton or vettel or whoever else is in the conversation. The race in The rain in brazil(?) sealed it for me. What can he do with an off-season to get used to his car?....
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I think that Verstappen is incredible to watch, spectacular and (apparently) fearless. He also obviously has superb & instinctive car control. Alongside all of this, I also feel that he had been very lucky, some of the moves he has made have been very risky, but he's usually got away with them.
I seriously wish him no harm but so feel that that he has a huge accident awaiting him, and as I say, I wish him no harm and trust that the safety systems in current F1help to ensure that if/when this happens, neither he, or anyone else involved is badly hurt.
If my prediction of bad things comes true, it will be interesting to see what effect that, and his increasing age has on his exhuberant & youthful driving style.
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I think that Verstappen is incredible to watch, spectacular and (apparently) fearless. He also obviously has superb & instinctive car control. Alongside all of this, I also feel that he had been very lucky, some of the moves he has made have been very risky, but he's usually got away with them.
I seriously wish him no harm but so feel that that he has a huge accident awaiting him, and as I say, I wish him no harm and trust that the safety systems in current F1help to ensure that if/when this happens, neither he, or anyone else involved is badly hurt.
If my prediction of bad things comes true, it will be interesting to see what effect that, and his increasing age has on his exhuberant & youthful driving style.
That was kinda in my mind when I wrote that about him losing some of his edge as he matures, for better or worse. I could see a spectacular accident tempering his aggression and he doesn't keep on the trajectory he's on.
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