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Old 12 Jul 2017, 13:23 (Ref:3750688)   #151
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Good luck to Vasseur, hopefully he can start to turn their fortunes around. But no Honda engine means they are gonna have to scrabble around to find a new engine partner for 2018 if it is true
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 14:19 (Ref:3750702)   #152
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Or a revival of Sauber-Mercedes, as they have Wehrlein.
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 14:43 (Ref:3750706)   #153
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Or a revival of Sauber-Mercedes, as they have Wehrlein.
Are there enough Benzes to go round if McLaren takes a supply?
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 16:21 (Ref:3750721)   #154
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I think Sauber-Mercedes with Wehrlein would be the best idea. Not only would they have a great engine, but they would be able to keep their star driver. That would be cosmic
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 16:48 (Ref:3750726)   #155
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sounds like its more than just a team principle appointment...also managing director and CEO.

nothing against Kaltenborn (whom i thought did an excellent job and oversaw some great results during difficult time) but it is nice to see an engineer in charge rather than a lawyer...or dentist.
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 17:12 (Ref:3750732)   #156
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I hope Sauber have a contingency plan already in place if ditching the Honda deal is what they are really doing. I'm not quite sure how wise the Swedish Sauber owners really are.

Hard to see both Sauber and Mclaren getting the Merc. But it's not absolutely impossible I suppose.

Was rumours that Williams may attempt to exit the customer doldrums and inherit the Honda works deal refuted by Williams at all?

And of course, after all this bru-ha-ha Mclaren may yet plough on with the Honda deal -- perhaps with a sweetener from Honda to soften the financial low of a long haul development program at least.
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I hope Sauber have a contingency plan already in place if ditching the Honda deal is what they are really doing. I'm not quite sure how wise the Swedish Sauber owners really are.

Hard to see both Sauber and Mclaren getting the Merc. But it's not absolutely impossible I suppose.

Was rumours that Williams may attempt to exit the customer doldrums and inherit the Honda works deal refuted by Williams at all?

And of course, after all this bru-ha-ha Mclaren may yet plough on with the Honda deal -- perhaps with a sweetener from Honda to soften the financial low of a long haul development program at least.
According to Autosport it may not be too easy for McLaren to ditch Honda anyway. If the link works - see here: http://www.autosport.com/premium/fea...sy-as-it-seems
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Old 12 Jul 2017, 18:41 (Ref:3750754)   #158
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Are there enough Benzes to go round if McLaren takes a supply?
I don't think McLaren will.
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Is the idea of them using Ferraris badged as Alfas completely out of the question?
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When I say them obviously I mean Sauber, I am sure they would happily use up to date pu's next year and as far as I know the whole Alfa thing is still a possibility.
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I hope Sauber have a contingency plan already in place if ditching the Honda deal is what they are really doing. I'm not quite sure how wise the Swedish Sauber owners really are.

Hard to see both Sauber and Mclaren getting the Merc. But it's not absolutely impossible I suppose.

Was rumours that Williams may attempt to exit the customer doldrums and inherit the Honda works deal refuted by Williams at all?

And of course, after all this bru-ha-ha Mclaren may yet plough on with the Honda deal -- perhaps with a sweetener from Honda to soften the financial low of a long haul development program at least.
Claire Williams asked her questioner did it make sense to go from the best engines in the field to the worst! No love there...
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Old 13 Jul 2017, 13:19 (Ref:3750911)   #162
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Alfa Romeo I could see happening, would be cosmic to see them back in F1
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Old 13 Jul 2017, 14:45 (Ref:3750917)   #163
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I'd rather see Alfa running Giulias in the DTM.
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Is the idea of them using Ferraris badged as Alfas completely out of the question?
When I say them obviously I mean Sauber, I am sure they would happily use up to date pu's next year and as far as I know the whole Alfa thing is still a possibility.
I thought the plan for the Alfa branding was to stick it on the Haas?

McLaren may want a Mercedes engine but Toto and Niki are against supplying McLaren so it's unlikely - so Sauber could pick up the Mercedes engine instead.

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I'd rather see Alfa running Giulias in the DTM.
That would be great Also unlikely - as that would cost a lot of money. A few Alfa stickers to go on a Haas would be peanuts compared to the cost of a DTM entry.
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You have to speculate to accumulate. A DTM campaign would put the Giulia up against its major class rivals. Besides, Marchionne has talked about Alfa being in F1 as a constructor, which would make the DTM look like chump change.
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