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Old 11 Apr 2017, 16:41 (Ref:3725559)   #16
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A lot of the DPi vs P2 issue is the same as DP vs P2 in the past: who's running the cars. 2/3 of the full-time P2s are teams who are brand new to the P class and have pro-am driver lineups. It's not realistic that they'd be fighting for wins right out of the box, regardless of package. And Visit Florida- a better driver lineup in theory, but it's still all-new equipment for them. And let's be honest- they didn't exactly set the world on fire last year with *the* dominant package.


There was talk their Riley could become a Mazda DPi, possibly even before the season ends. Might not be a competition improvement for them, though.
If they did convert to a Mazda DPI it would perhaps give us some additional insight into the package or Speed Source being the problem.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 16:46 (Ref:3725563)   #17
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Rebellion was on pole for Sebring, and the 85 JDC/Miller car was in contention for hours at Sebring. That car was also quite good at Long Beach. If a team at or near Rebellion's level was to run a Oreca/Gibson for the whole year, they would be in contention for wins straight away, especially at fast and flowing circuits, which make a good portion of the schedule. Sufficed to say, I really don't think we lose every LMP2 entry; especially not if IMSA allows teams to change gearbox suppliers, or make other changes that make the cars more American-circuit-friendly.

VFR will very likely run a DPi next year, but I don't think it is a certainty that it will be Cadillac.

The Penske/Honda connection would be a serious threat to Cadillac, and seriously amp up the level of competition in the prototype class, no doubt.

Joest and Audi have each been quoted on their genuine interest in the DPi/IMSA Prototype category. Do I think either program will show up in 2018? I doubt both will - unless Audi tasks Joest with their DPi program, but if Audi doesn't show in '18, I think they are likely in '19, and Joest may be a great candidate for a TPNAEC entry, given a sponsor or manufacturer willing to pay the bills.

Perhaps I err too far on the side of DPi/LMP2 being a success, but I really think you are being far too cynical about its chances.

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No way it'll be a Cadillac. They'd be silly to buy Rileys for one year then dump them all for Dallaras. If they had a bog-standard Dallara for this year it;d be a different story.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 17:18 (Ref:3725567)   #18
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Do DPi manufacturers HAVE to provide cars to customers? Or can Mazda say "No, that's for Speedsource only" ?

I agree with Matt - I don't see VFR moving to a DPi. I think the P2s will only get better, and I think they'll eventually want to take that car to Le Mans.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3725586)   #19
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Do DPi manufacturers HAVE to provide cars to customers? Or can Mazda say "No, that's for Speedsource only" ?

I agree with Matt - I don't see VFR moving to a DPi. I think the P2s will only get better, and I think they'll eventually want to take that car to Le Mans.
Mazda has said they are not ready to sell the car yet. Ultimately, IMSA want DPi to be something akin to GT3, where the homologation is set before the season, and teams can go out and buy equal equipment. However, the homologation for DPi cars are not set yet, as Marshall Pruett's recent article reported. I bet Mazda will want to settle the spec of the car before selling it. I wonder if they would be open to a different set of engineering eyes in helping determine the best package. Whether it be in addition to Speedsource, or has been called for here - in replacement.

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There was talk their Riley could become a Mazda DPi, possibly even before the season ends. Might not be a competition improvement for them, though.
I thought the 55 car looked quite racey at Long Beach, where that little motor was probably out of its element. The global spec Riley could be the preferred package on short tracks over the swoopier Mazda-Riley. Of course, we have to wait for Detroit to see if that plays out.

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Old 11 Apr 2017, 19:22 (Ref:3725606)   #20
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Read the racer.com article, it explains how the dpi manufacturers can use a joker to improve their performance/package. So basically the cars are in 'limbo' spec and can possibly be rehomologated. I can see that happening with a team or two for next year.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:09 (Ref:3725636)   #21
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I want to see more races in the future.

Add Mid-Ohio, Barber and Portland!
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I want to see more races in the future.

Add Mid-Ohio, Barber and Portland!
It's a bit of a puzzler that IMSA, America's premier sports car series, isn't at the Mid-Ohio SPORTS CAR Course. I imagine Honda's (likely) increased presence in the championship will put pressure on the series to get back to Mid-O.

But I'd like to see both Mid-O and Barber added; and has a PNW native, Portland would be a great add, but I'd be interested to see what the crowd turnout would be.

If it means losing a round, I'd not mind seeing Detroit and Long Beach go. But if the manufacturers want those markets, those races will remain.

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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:24 (Ref:3725639)   #23
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If they did convert to a Mazda DPI it would perhaps give us some additional insight into the package or Speed Source being the problem.
or they might find a whole new collection of ways not to succeed .....
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 21:26 (Ref:3725640)   #24
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No way it'll be a Cadillac. They'd be silly to buy Rileys for one year then dump them all for Dallaras. If they had a bog-standard Dallara for this year it;d be a different story.
Unless they figured that even a partially sorted Caddy could outrun a partially sorted Mazda.

Given what we have seen so far, I'd jump at the chance to get a Cadillac .... not so much a Mazda.
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Old 11 Apr 2017, 22:22 (Ref:3725641)   #25
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I can see PR1 and JDC moving up to Dpi, maybe even getting the Cadi package as well. Both Bobby Oergel and John Church have said that the goal is to be a part of a Dpi program. What better way to do that than with the Cadi Dpi. Of course, they could remain with the global spec p2 next year too because I can't see them making a move that early. We'll see.
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PR1 would go to a Nissan at this stage, as they run a Ligier chassis. No Oreca DPi yet.

As stated with SoD, it would be stupid for them to waste the money on a chassis then change to a different one the following year instead of just doing the upgrade.

If they both had gotten standard Dallara's it would be different.
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Old 12 Apr 2017, 08:42 (Ref:3725743)   #27
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PR1 would go to a Nissan at this stage, as they run a Ligier chassis. No Oreca DPi yet.

As stated with SoD, it would be stupid for them to waste the money on a chassis then change to a different one the following year instead of just doing the upgrade.

If they both had gotten standard Dallara's it would be different.

If memory helps, ESM has a 2 years exclusive deal for the nissan package.
Anyway, I'm not cynical, just realistic as explained by someone else, current wec lmp2 vs. cadillacs is not so much different from 2014-2015 lmp2 vs. dp era. Now, not only wec lmp2 lack of torque, but aren't even lighter than dpi.

Pole positions don't show the real values in field... last year mazdas marked some poles too, and we know how it ended
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If memory helps, ESM has a 2 years exclusive deal for the nissan package.
Anyway, I'm not cynical, just realistic as explained by someone else, current wec lmp2 vs. cadillacs is not so much different from 2014-2015 lmp2 vs. dp era. Now, not only wec lmp2 lack of torque, but aren't even lighter than dpi.

Pole positions don't show the real values in field... last year mazdas marked some poles too, and we know how it ended
Rebellion and to a small extant JDC/Miller at Sebring proved this to be untrue. It's not the cars, it's the quality of the teams running them.
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Rebellion and to a small extant JDC/Miller at Sebring proved this to be untrue. It's not the cars, it's the quality of the teams running them.
Which is how this most parallels DP vs P2.

The best teams have the best cars, it is generally how this whole motor racing thing works.

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