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Old 30 May 2017, 14:51 (Ref:3737387)   #31
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Erm, why are we discounting Verstappen as a rising star? He's in his 4th season of car racing and still a teenager!!

Based on the career trajectory of the new generation so far, Verstappen's looking good for Schumacher-levels of domination through the second half of his twenties because the other guys around his age - or even slightly older - are nowhere near his level.

Of the drivers U25, based on what I've seen so far, only Sainz has the talent to touch him in the same or similar car.
He's above the "rising star" status imo. He's a plain star. It would be insulting to him to discuss him in the same way as those others.
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Old 30 May 2017, 15:07 (Ref:3737390)   #32
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He's above the "rising star" status imo. He's a plain star. It would be insulting to him to discuss him in the same way as those others.
I'm not wanting to insult his ability, but assuming he'll race into his thirties, this current period will be regarded as the early beginnings of his career. He hasn't achieved anything yet.
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Old 31 May 2017, 04:29 (Ref:3737543)   #33
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Well I wasn't including him because he's already beyond the point of those other guys. 2 years you're still learning. He's into year 3 now and with a top team, won a race. We know he's a star and it would be hard to compare to those other guys because he's always going to be ahead of them. And if we included him, we'd have to include Sainz, Kyvat, Ericsson...

When Sainz joins Ferrari next year (wink) we can't really compare him to Vandoorne.

In fact if you take Mercedes out of the results, Verstappen would have won 5 races last year.

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Old 31 May 2017, 12:25 (Ref:3737660)   #34
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Stroll really makes it sound like it wasn't his choice to move up and is now struggling more than ever than the current cars
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 03:20 (Ref:3740378)   #35
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Ocon all the way this time isn't it? Potential DOTR, Perez really should have been told to get out the way to give Ocon a shot at the podium. Although it's unlikely he would have made the move, it shows how the team feel about Perez and not wanting to ruffle his feathers at all in case he moves on to Ferrari. Ocon was only a tenth off Perez in all 3 quali rounds too. He's becoming a potential star of years to come with this performance.

Stroll actually did okay, passing a lot of guys on track which makes up for his terrible qualifying (10 positions behind Massa). 6th f.lap.

Magnussen was running okay for a while, but seemed to drop back. Not sure why. Perhaps stayed out too long on the first set (46 laps).

Palmer pretty weak race, nowhere near his team mate. A second off in qualifying and well behind in the race but somehow jumped past Magnussen and Vandoorne at some stage. Too late, I don't see him being around in 2018. Hulk has made him look rubbish. Who's in line for that Renault seat next year? Don't say Alonso, I think that would be a step backwards especially if McLaren switches to Merc engines. The McLaren isn't THAT slow when it's running, Alonso is usually top 10, it's more the unreliability.

Vandoorne; damn, what you doing boy? Good start to be ahead of Alonso. I thought finally Vandoorne is going to show some consistency after that previous one off good showing and have a race with Fred. But nope, they were all passing him and he dropped like wet fish, finishing pretty much last. F.lap a second slower than Alonso's. Not a good performance from Stoff. I know Alonso's pretty great, but does Stoffel not have the same equipment or something? Is the engine turned down?

Only Wehrlein behind but he had that first lap trouble and had to make 2 pit stops, so never recovered from that.
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 09:48 (Ref:3740438)   #36
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Stoffel said after the race that they needed to save a lot of fuel. pair that with Alonso's earlier season comments that he will push the entire race, and his early exit, maybe Alonso just ignores the fuel-saving demand, while Stoffel abides by it (maybe a bit too much?)

I'm sure there's more than 1 reason for the difference, but seeing the cars just breeze by him on the straight was painful
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 12:04 (Ref:3740476)   #37
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ocon is delivering in a sainz fashion - quietly but effectively. vandoorne had a bit more attention but he was going into a far worse situation. better a slightly off the pace reliable car than a very off the pace unreliable one after all.

i don't think vandoorne's situation is black and white, alonso is a notoriously poor teammate and stoffel isn't a tugger so there's other stuff going on.
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Stroll actually did okay, passing a lot of guys on track which makes up for his terrible qualifying (10 positions behind Massa). 6th f.lap.
hopefully he turned a corner with this race but yeah he actually did ok. looked like he belonged out there anyways so thats something.

right track right country for it to happen at too!
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 18:45 (Ref:3740606)   #39
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Stroll finally showed his potential and I hope this isn't a one off for his fans, because this could lead to more

Ocon would have been challenging for the podium, but for Force India's decision to let them race

Stoffel not sure about his race, Magnussen seemed to be a bit all over the place in battle and Jolyon would do better if he qualified better
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Paddy Lowe complimented his race craft. He's in a good place to judge, not least because he probably paid attention to Stroll all through the race. Whenever I saw him, even when making up places, he looked nervous and ragged.

I hope this gives him confidence and he can take that forward.
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Paddy Lowe complimented his race craft. He's in a good place to judge, not least because he probably paid attention to Stroll all through the race. Whenever I saw him, even when making up places, he looked nervous and ragged.

I hope this gives him confidence and he can take that forward.
Is that the same Paddy Lowe whose entire employment is funded by the 80m Mr Stroll pays for the drive?
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Magnussen was running okay for a while, but seemed to drop back. Not sure why. Perhaps stayed out too long on the first set (46 laps).
Magnussen had a penalty for overtaking under the virtual saftey car so that would have dropped him back.

Good to see Stroll finally get some points - he still looked very ragged though. It would have been interesting to see how Massa got on but his early exit means we don't know if Stroll had a great race or Williams had a great car.
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Who else cursed when Bottas crossed the line the tenth ahead of Stroll? Stroll so deserved that. Bottas being gifted a lap back (maybe 2) did not. But still 3rd better than nothing, and a great performance from him. People might have to stop on all the Stroll pay-driver hate, he's really not that bad. To be 0.1s off 2nd and only 4sec behind Ricciardo for the win. Imagine if Stroll had won the race? If Ricciardo had retired at the start then Stroll would have won it! The time lost when Ricciardo passed him would have been more than 0.1s. It would Panis 96 all over again haha.

Ocon did really well again. Sure, he wrecked and put his team mate into the wall, small whoopsy there. Somehow came back to 6th. But in quali he was only 0.06s off Perez. For him to do this in a new team, against Perez who's probably at his peak, really says things about his future. Ocon can only get better with experience, and getting better will put him easily ahead of Perez.

Magnussen also did really well, I was hoping he might hold on to 5th for while. Much better than Grosjean, quickest lap in quali 0.6sec faster than Grosjean who went out in Q1 and had brake issues in the race.

Wehrlein didn't stand out this time - in fact he was supposed to have given that position back to Ericsson and it looks like he didn't.

Vandoorne, what happened to him? At one point again ahead of Alonso, but ends up half a minute behind at the finish. Last in quali. Looks like he made an extra pit stop (3 in total?).

That leaves? Oh yeah... Palmer. Well he had no luck this weekend with car problems. Did he wall it in one of those sessions? But no Prac3, no qualifying and only about 10 laps in the race before retiring, while running last mind you.
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Stroll, I agree got a moral second place. On a street circuit, it's usually the inexperienced ones who throw it away, yet this time it was the more experienced ones who had trouble, whilst Stroll stayed out of trouble till the end

Ocon maybe could have given Checo more room, but what a recovery never gave up

Magnussen looked good in third, but then the quicker cars got past him and 7th was probably the maximum

Vandoorne, well Fred is just maybe putting that car above par, that it makes Stoffel look bad

Palmer, shame about him, he looked racey against Wehrlein and who knows his softly softly approach could have given him a point or two considering how chaotic the race was
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