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Old 16 May 2017, 10:36 (Ref:3733819)   #16
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Weather looks very "mixed" for the whole UK over the week and into the weekend...

Could be another cool and wet one at Oulton.
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Old 16 May 2017, 11:33 (Ref:3733831)   #17
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Cole was nowhere near Plato and Turkington for most of last season so that's comparing apples and pears. Plato hasn't suddenly gone from being one of the best drivers in BTCC to an also ran in the off season.

They're saying the CoG ruined the car as it was and they're still working out how to set it up from there.

The straight line speed deficit is real and was obvious from the Thruxton onboards and the speed trap. In a series like the BTCC it shouldn't be possible for the car in front to pull a gap on the car behind in a straight line.

It's going to be really interesting to see what happens at Oulton. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Plato and Sutton qualifying in the top 6.
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Old 16 May 2017, 12:08 (Ref:3733839)   #18
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Cole was nowhere near Plato and Turkington for most of last season so that's comparing apples and pears. Plato hasn't suddenly gone from being one of the best drivers in BTCC to an also ran in the off season.

They're saying the CoG ruined the car as it was and they're still working out how to set it up from there.
If Cole was a second a lap slower than Plato last year, and the CoG has been changed for both cars, then shouldn't Cole still be a second a lap slower?
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Old 16 May 2017, 12:13 (Ref:3733842)   #19
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If Cole was a second a lap slower than Plato last year, and the CoG has been changed for both cars, then shouldn't Cole still be a second a lap slower?
Exactly.
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Old 16 May 2017, 12:50 (Ref:3733848)   #20
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I don't think he's playing a game, because otherwise Sutton is ruining it.
Perhaps Sutton, is going against 'team orders' and racing his heart out, because that's what he's paying to do! I know if I was paying for a seat I'd want to get my moneys worth!

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It would be interesting to hear his explanation for why Price and Cole are performing to about the same level if their chassis' are fine?

If his car is off the pace due to a chassis fault (that can be fixed with a radical set-up) - then how much better could Sutton go with the same radical set-up, when Scott said the car is already 'handling extremely well but the straight line speed deficit is certainly curtailing the efforts from our drivers'?

Perhaps the argument for a CoG amendment is no longer relevant and the car is now on a par with others for weight distribution?
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If Cole was a second a lap slower than Plato last year, and the CoG has been changed for both cars, then shouldn't Cole still be a second a lap slower?
Exactly, though we're not allowing for the scenario that Jason is still at the same level as last year and Cole has improved by a second this year.
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Old 16 May 2017, 13:14 (Ref:3733854)   #21
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Well, I admit that I've never been a Plato fan (I always think it's a good idea to get your 'understatement of the day' out of the way early), but I do admire the sense in the idea of using time in the races for testing. (Of course, it could have been his engineer that suggested it). Where he was at Thruxton there was no chance of salvaging any kind of result, so at least they made use of being there...
It would have made even more sense to run your tests on the actual test days at Thruxton......
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Old 16 May 2017, 13:56 (Ref:3733862)   #22
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It is still a mystery why they didn't test at Thruxton, considering they didn't race there last season
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Old 16 May 2017, 14:11 (Ref:3733870)   #23
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the series has demonstrated it could thrive without them so if they dissapear from the grid no big loss
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Old 16 May 2017, 14:13 (Ref:3733871)   #24
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the series has demonstrated it could thrive without them so if they dissapear from the grid no big loss


Exactly. When the racing is as good as it always, you don't tend to notice who's not there
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Old 16 May 2017, 14:33 (Ref:3733876)   #25
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It would have made even more sense to run your tests on the actual test days at Thruxton......
I agree, but they didn't, so at least the 'race day' wasn't a totally wasted exercise.
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Old 16 May 2017, 16:10 (Ref:3733885)   #26
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'We may be able to get a small amount of extra performance by pushing the engine to its limits' - so currently not running at full potential?
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Old 16 May 2017, 18:03 (Ref:3733905)   #27
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Exactly, though we're not allowing for the scenario that Jason is still at the same level as last year and Cole has improved by a second this year.
Or maybe - Plato is down by 0.5s (the gap he admits he has to Sutton), and Cole is up 0.5s?

Whatever the situation, I get the impression that they still don't fully understand the pace differential. They're obviously in a tricky situation because they have to be positive about the car, and their chances of improving.
They are about to hit the RWD preferred tracks, and must see podiums as essential.
On the other hand, PMR now have a period of grace to continue development, before they should have strong showing late season.
TD, WSR and Speedworks will be hoping to consolidate their positions at the top, before everyone starts taking points from each other late on.
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Old 16 May 2017, 18:20 (Ref:3733908)   #28
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Old 16 May 2017, 21:56 (Ref:3733947)   #29
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It would be interesting to hear his explanation for why Price and Cole are performing to about the same level if their chassis' are fine?

If his car is off the pace due to a chassis fault (that can be fixed with a radical set-up) - then how much better could Sutton go with the same radical set-up, when Scott said the car is already 'handling extremely well but the straight line speed deficit is certainly curtailing the efforts from our drivers'?

Perhaps the argument for a CoG amendment is no longer relevant and the car is now on a par with others for weight distribution?
Because Cole has always been at the back and Price was average at best in Clios?
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Old 16 May 2017, 22:47 (Ref:3733953)   #30
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Because Cole has always been at the back
OBJECTION


Cole was at 2015 Silverstone on route for a podium with the Motorbase Focus but was rammed out of the way by a certain JP as a result he never ever came closer to a podium


I rest my case
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