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Old 24 Jun 2017, 12:10 (Ref:3746404)   #1
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Interesting Article in the Guardian

quite a good feature

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...-mans-24-hours
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Old 24 Jun 2017, 12:34 (Ref:3746410)   #2
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Some really good points made there, but I often think sportscar fans are at their worse when they make constant comparisons to F1.

It's obvious we prefer it, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

Personally, I like how much Le Mans and F1 contrast. Le Mans is completely its own universe. I love the paradox of it being one of the most famous sporting events in the world while also somehow being a secret that no one really knows about, and hearing about people being blown away after their first visit.
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Old 24 Jun 2017, 23:33 (Ref:3746548)   #3
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Unreliability breeds unpredictability and that is where Le Mans shines. Racing should be unpredictable
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Some really good points made there, but I often think sportscar fans are at their worse when they make constant comparisons to F1.

It's obvious we prefer it, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

Personally, I like how much Le Mans and F1 contrast. Le Mans is completely its own universe. I love the paradox of it being one of the most famous sporting events in the world while also somehow being a secret that no one really knows about, and hearing about people being blown away after their first visit.
Agreed. It's not F1, and the less it has to do with F1 the better.

And speaking of newbies being blown away, my brother-in-law, who has no interest in motor racing, came back for a third time this year. He was as surprised as I was.
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I think people compare it to F1, because everybody knows what F1 is, and whether we like it or not, F1 is the top motorsport in the world for audience, visibility, etc.

But I do think series should learn from each other. There's a lot that F1 can learn from Le Mans. But then again, Le Mans should learn how to make a decent bloody website from everyone else, because the WEC site is a disaster. They can all learn from each other.
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Old 25 Jun 2017, 14:59 (Ref:3746670)   #6
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And while they're at it, how about proper position indicators rather than just leader lights?
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With something to help identify the driver?
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With something to help identify the driver?
Was thinking of that earlier. LED light on the side. Driver 1 red, driver 2 green, driver 3 blue. Would mean you'd need to know who was drivers 1-2-3 though.
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I think your suggestion would be enough. If you're interested enough to want to know then this gives you the opportunity to easily find out. You'd just need the website, spotters guide or race programme to tell you.

During a 24 hour race and the practice before you'd get to learn it for the cars that you care for.

You could go the whole hog and have some system that showed the drivers name, but I'm not too fussed. Give me the opportunity to tell.
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Well since we're on a roll and this topic had an article about what F1 car learn from Le Mans, how about what Le Mans can learn from everywhere else? From a fan point of view - trackside, and home viewing

Number position panels (Blancpain/IMSA)
A website that works (Every other series)
A stream that works (Every other series)
Current driver lights (Does anything have that?)
A commentary team provided by RLM (IMSA, VLN, ELMS)
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These are not really lessons from other series, but here are a few.

At track. More facilities and less queues for beer and food.
At home. Better timing that shows sectors and other information from the official source. And reliability as you say. Unofficial timing was better than official!
At home. Ability to have no commentary on the official feed, just race track sounds. I'm not bothered about having to buy separate coverage when I have the fee for it.
At track. Kangaroo again. Or the ability to offer 4G to 200,000 people at once!

Generally the ability to watch is pretty good at the track and after this year at home I can say it was pretty good at home. Can always improve though...
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....the ability to offer 4G to 200,000 people at once!
Definitely this. I spent a long time this year behind the scenes trying to find out why O2 treat their customers so badly abroad. No 4G at all in France!!
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Definitely this. I spent a long time this year behind the scenes trying to find out why O2 treat their customers so badly abroad. No 4G at all in France!!
Rather than stare at a small lump of plastic try looking at that black ribbon of tarmac, big screens also help, not sure why anyone travels hundreds of miles to watch a race only to try and follow it on their phone, the addiction of those things is a curse of the modern world, Andrew you used to enjoy the race before you had them and you seem to enjoy it less now. Solution is obvious
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Rather than stare at a small lump of plastic try looking at that black ribbon of tarmac, big screens also help, not sure why anyone travels hundreds of miles to watch a race only to try and follow it on their phone, the addiction of those things is a curse of the modern world, Andrew you used to enjoy the race before you had them and you seem to enjoy it less now. Solution is obvious
Not at all Simon - quite the opposite in fact. I can say totally honestly that I'm enjoying Le Mans far more now than I ever used to and it's because my focus is almost solely on the race while it's going on that I like to make use of all the information available to me. I bought the app pack for Le Mans but struggled to use it thanks to O2.

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Mobile phone is incredible useful for things like live timing information. Some of us want to enjoy the experience of being there, some of us want to try and understand the race flow as much as we can. No harm in either.
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