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Old 28 Mar 2003, 10:24 (Ref:550871)   #31
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 11:06 (Ref:550912)   #32
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Mika Salo was a driver I took a liking to for some reason. Think he got sold WAY short by Toyota last year. Here's hoping Panis can make a meal of his Toyota seat.
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 11:45 (Ref:550947)   #33
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 11:52 (Ref:550956)   #34
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Luigi Fagioli - Half-win with Fangio. Fluke
Piero Taruffi - Deserved
Luigi Musso - Should have won more, but unfortunately killed
Joakim Bonnier - Lucky
Giancarlo Baghetti - Lucky
Innes Ireland - Lucky
Lorenzo Bandini - Should have won more
Richie Ginther - Deserved win and should have won more
Ludovico Scarfiotti - Lucky
Peter Gethin - Lucky
François Cevert - Should have won many, many more
Jean-Pierre Beltoise - Deserved win
Carlos Pace - Should have won more
Jochen Mass - Lucky
Vittorio Brambilla - Lucky, but bloody good to see anyway!
Gunnar Nillson - Should have won more
Alessandro Nannini - Lucky, but deserved
Jean Alesi - Should have won more
Olivier Panis - Lucky but deserved
Juan Pablo Montoya - Will win more
Kimi Räikkönen - Will win more
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 12:05 (Ref:550975)   #35
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He should have won some more too,he was a good No2,and was good in the six wheelers.Funny just before you posted that I was just looking at photos of him in the '76'77 seasons.He also had a bad hang glider crash and missed quite a bit of racing for a while.
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 15:28 (Ref:551184)   #36
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I remembered Monaco completely forgot the '79 Spanish.

Yep, he seemed always the bridesmaid never the bride. The hangliding accident actually instigated the rules about competing or taking part in any other sport or activity which could affect a driver's availability. They made that part of the Superlicence and that effectively put an end to drivers racing in other races during the GP weekend. Indeed it started the rot which stopped them appearing in anything other than F1 whilst they were under contract.
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 17:44 (Ref:551337)   #37
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[B]Yeah, it's unbelievable isn't it. Shame the Willy's have been such dogs since 2001.

The Willy is so bad at the moment have you seen the story how two of their aerodynamics guys have been sacked for doing such a bad job!
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 17:45 (Ref:551338)   #38
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Sorry for the quote bit above - not quite yet mastered how the rest of you copy the bits and pieces.
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Talking about Depailler, he was also recovering from a bike accident when he started in formula 1 (he was a former bike racer). Rumours in 76-77 said he was the one who made the setups for his leaders (Scheckter, then Peterson). Was it true ? (if someone knows).
I remember hearing his death at Hockenheim on the radio. Very sad. He was also known as a big smoker, like Barry Sheene.
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Old 28 Mar 2003, 22:06 (Ref:551574)   #40
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Full list of drivers who won 2 Grand Prix
José Froilan Gonzalez
Maurice Trintignant
Wolfgang von Trips
Pedro Rodriguez
Jo Siffert
Peter Revson
Patrick Depailler
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 07:42 (Ref:552690)   #41
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If you include those who won the Indianapolis 500 between 1950 and 1960 (when it counted for the F1 world championship) then that would introduce several more 'one-hit wonders' such as Rodger Ward and Jim Rathmann. But is it right to count those who won those Indy 500s as F1 race winners?
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 10:00 (Ref:552712)   #42
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Probably not as they did not run under the Formula 1 regulations of the day. At best, they can be said to have won a World Championship EVENT, but then we're just getting into playing with words. They were not, to my understanding, F1 or Grand Prix wins.
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 13:41 (Ref:552866)   #43
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I think Kimi and Juan will win again. Juan is just not in the right position at the moment. They both even have champ potential.
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 20:45 (Ref:553073)   #44
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Speaking about something like "multihit flukes", although I like Johnny Herbert, I think his wins were lucky (but he deserved a great career, what a pity that F3000 accident )

I wonder how many "multihit flukes" there are (more than one GP win, and ALL of them lucky). In the 2-GP list above, I don't see any inmediate case of "flukery".
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Old 30 Mar 2003, 22:09 (Ref:553150)   #45
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No, most of the two-wins list deserved them or maybe more. Trintignant is perhaps the exception as his '55 Monaco GP win was due to the Mercs retiring and Mr Ascari going for his infamous swim. His '58 win also came after the likes of Moss and Hawthorn retired. Am not saying that he shouldn't have had a win to his name, but he seem to me to be the 'flukiest' of the group.
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