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4 Jun 2003, 19:38 (Ref:620994)
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DSM - I see what you're saying and follow the logic but that isn't was the Blue Book says and unless individual championships have their own regulation that applies to the situation then the Blue Book will apply and it's only requirement is that the car is under it's own power at the time of the red (IIRC F3 has a different regulation for this?) |
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4 Jun 2003, 19:38 (Ref:620995)
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he certainly did. In fact he got away with ignoring the yellow flags too. Then again, the Brazilian Grand Prix - they didn't even know who won until the week after.
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'I'm a winner', What the **** does that mean? Anybody can utter the words.
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4 Jun 2003, 22:37 (Ref:621219)
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The Blue Boook states that cars should be under their own power when crossing the line, however the position may be awarded and it may not, it is at the discretion of the Clerk. Remember the TVR fire at Donington a couple of years back? That brought out the red flag, and was leading the race at the time. He won on countback. As Jamo so correctly points out, consistency is everything, and sadly is sometimes lacking.
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5 Jun 2003, 02:40 (Ref:621350)
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In Australia in 1992 in the biggest race of the year, a car was leading after 75% distance and he crashed heavily causing serious damage to the car. It was obvious that the car was not going to finish, but the driver limped around the circuit and despite the gesticulations of the yellow flag waving marshalls imploring him to slow down he kept the boot in and continued accelerating around the bend into a pile up that had happened a minute or two earlier. The resulting carnage brought out the red flag and our hero was declared the winner of the event.
Not surprisingly, second place was mortified and the crowd was very unimpressed and ugly scenes followed at the podium presentation. Amazingly, this rule has not been changed, or even reviewed since. |
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5 Jun 2003, 11:01 (Ref:621618)
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Piglet, I've tried to find out if he was classed as the winner, but can't find any results.
I believe it is the Scottish Mini Cooper Challenge, as opposed to the English equivalent. |
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5 Jun 2003, 11:36 (Ref:621660)
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It was in today's autosport and it seems he didn't get the win, from memory it was given to Mike Cohen (surname might be wrong but similar, can't be bothered to go and check
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5 Jun 2003, 13:06 (Ref:621751)
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5 Jun 2003, 13:56 (Ref:621829)
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5 Jun 2003, 14:13 (Ref:621857)
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That, in my humble opinion, sounds like a very clever tactical move.
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5 Jun 2003, 15:24 (Ref:621939)
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5 Jun 2003, 16:25 (Ref:621999)
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I'm sorry but I can't agree with that. If you deliberately attempt to cause a race to be terminated because you are unable to finish, that's cheating.
You get the win not because you're the best driver. Not because you have the best car. But because you're the best at creating a danger to yourself and other drivers to the extent that the race has to be stopped. Tactics? Yes I guess so. But it's still cheating and I can't understand how anyone could take pride in a "win" based on that. You could just as easily say that it would be clever tactics to run every other driver off the circuit. After all, if they can't race, then you win right? Or how about going around giving all the other drivers free chocolate which turns out to be ex-lax? That's a good tactic - reduces the field down to almost nothing. Is there anything admirable about it though? No. Is it winning? No. It's cheating. Last edited by EvilPumpkin; 5 Jun 2003 at 16:27. |
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It also reduces the amount of track time for other's who have paid. It is down right disgraceful and I'm sure the other competitors would make there feelings clear. |
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6 Jun 2003, 06:50 (Ref:622536)
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most dives in football are contentious anyway.....usually there is some grounds for the dive unless you're in a really dodgy team or league. And the point of tricks like shirt pulling, backing into opponents etc are all part of a very physical game, where the oppsoing team is doing th same back to you without blatantly breaking the rules of the game..
A blatant decision (taking several moments to make, not a split second) to cheat like you've mentioned above seems far too berefit of that kind of reason. I think theres a differnce |
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