Future Grands Prix?

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by bella

really? both have pretty shoddy pit buildings, and not necessarily enough space for all the f1 fluff in the paddock though assen is probably a bit better off. zandvoort struggles with dtm, the gt4 support was in the (charitably named) outer paddock last year and there was only a couple of f3 teams.

Well, I meant in terms of layout and run off etc.

I hadn't considered facilities, but then working out of sheds hasn't out F1 off in the past (see Interlagos, Monaco blah blah)

Assen would surely need a ton of dough spent on track re-surfacing, widening, access all sorts?

[bella]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Well, I meant in terms of layout and run off etc.

I hadn't considered facilities, but then working out of sheds hasn't out F1 off in the past (see Interlagos, Monaco blah blah)

Assen would surely need a ton of dough spent on track re-surfacing, widening, access all sorts?

it’s fairly wide, i think the visit by charlie whiting only brought up a couple of minor tweaks that’d need doing.

the access at assen is excellent - straight onto a motorway, albeit dual carriageway and there’s a railway station that they already provide frequent buses to and from on big days. they genuinely get 80-100k spectators there for the bikes and their big free event.

zandvoort is a pain for access in terms of trucks (there’s really only one way in and out plus you have to cross the track a la brands hatch), but it has a train station within walking distance and thus all of amsterdam for hotel rooms.

/bella’s european circuit reviews

[Mekola]

Again the rumours about the return of Argentine GP.
It's very strange, but don't want to have F1 in my country...

[NaBUru38]

The economic return of having an F1 race is questionable at best.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by bella

it’s fairly wide, i think the visit by charlie whiting only brought up a couple of minor tweaks that’d need doing.

the access at assen is excellent - straight onto a motorway, albeit dual carriageway and there’s a railway station that they already provide frequent buses to and from on big days. they genuinely get 80-100k spectators there for the bikes and their big free event.

zandvoort is a pain for access in terms of trucks (there’s really only one way in and out plus you have to cross the track a la brands hatch), but it has a train station within walking distance and thus all of amsterdam for hotel rooms.

/bella’s european circuit reviews

[Moneyseeker]

I wonder how the the queue at Liberty's door for 'new' F1 races, really is? With the current climate who is going to have $200m to spend on a venue plus the $50M or so per year for F1 rights?

[Mekola]

Somewhere in the GPI magazine (Long Beach '83 edition), just read a note about how Bernie has to cope with the US street tracks, at the time...
That's not new, and it's VERY related to last Bernie's Xmas postcard...

[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by Moneyseeker

I wonder how the the queue at Liberty's door for 'new' F1 races, really is? With the current climate who is going to have $200m to spend on a venue plus the $50M or so per year for F1 rights?

Same as always, an ambitious national or local government or some very, very rich guy as a vanity project. It's hard to see the ROI of such a project — see COTA — but governments and the super rich can sometimes be convinced to throw money at crazy things.

I also wonder how many serious inquiries Liberty is getting these days, especially as they want more races in the right places — high income parts of the world, especially major cities — and less in places like Baku or Malaysia that just don't help the F1 brand as much.

I wonder if F1 might try to poach some cities from Formula E in the future.

[chillibowl]

one Liberty headline which never got much traction is that they have been clear that the teams should expect a decrease in the overall size of the prize fund. ostensibly because they are reinvesting more back into the sport, expanding FOM departments etc.

but are they prepared to further decrease the size of the pot by lowering sanctioning fees to secure, what they consider, key venues?

will we see Nurburgring return in 2019 or another American city (NYC, Vegas, Miami) get added on the back of a more favorable hosting deals, will they save Silverstone?

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

also wonder how many serious inquiries Liberty is getting these days, especially as they want more races in the right places — high income parts of the world, especially major cities — and less in places like Baku or Malaysia that just don't help the F1 brand as much.

Rumours say otherwise, see Kuwait.

[chillibowl]

Azerbaijan sports minister is saying that their current deal is unacceptable.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns38127.html

which, coincidentally enough, is a thought shared by most F1 fans...this race is unacceptable!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

Azerbaijan sports minister is saying that their current deal is unacceptable.

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns38127.html

which, coincidentally enough, is a thought shared by most F1 fans...this race is unacceptable!

The sooner it's off the calendar the better, though I did enjoy last year's race, as it was so like an IndyCar street.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

The sooner it's off the calendar the better, though I did enjoy last year's race, as it was so like an IndyCar street.

It's a shame the track isn't in another country...

It's more like Macau than an indycar street circuit. OT, Singapore and Valencia most reminded me of thr 90's/00's CART street venues like Houston, Vancouver etc.

[NaBUru38]

Originally Posted by chunterer

It's a shame the track isn't in another country...

Nothing wrong with the country, but the authoritarian government.

[S griffin]

And the fact that hardly anyone has turned up hardly warrants it's place on the calendar

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by chunterer

It's a shame the track isn't in another country...

It's more like Macau than an indycar street circuit. OT, Singapore and Valencia most reminded me of thr 90's/00's CART street venues like Houston, Vancouver etc.

I meant last year's race was like an IndyCar street race. Cautions breeding cautions. Drivers getting themselves back on the lead lap. Three wide down the main straightaway on the restart, not the venue itself. I doubt we will see a repeat this year.

[NaBUru38]

Promising news about Argentina:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8221646.html

Fenix Entertainment Group is a huge show promoter.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by NaBUru38

Promising news about Argentina:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8221646.html

Fenix Entertainment Group is a huge show promoter.

Fantastic if it were to happen. I suppose it's way too early to know which track layout will be used?

[Sodemo]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

Fantastic if it were to happen. I suppose it's way too early to know which track layout will be used?

The ruined one.

[E.B]

Originally Posted by Sodemo

The ruined one.

Which no doubt Tilke will have to update for the F1 Gods.... and ruin it further.

[bjohnsonsmith]

This is Autódromo Juan y Oscar Gálvez, with the various track permutations.



If there is one layout to be ruined it would have to be the No. 15. How could the F1 Gods and Tilke not be tempted to put a chicane in one of those long straights and try to flatten the Curvon, like this layout?

[S griffin]

When will they learn? Circuits should remain challenging, not have it lessened

[Purist]

One piece I've seen does give me at least a little hope. That is, Whiting seemed to think that the double hairpin was unnecessary, and the tighter hairpin at the end of the lap sounded more like a "maybe" than anything else.

Keep in mind, this is just a proposal, from the company Typse, I think the name was, which was somehow involved in the Valencia "Street Circuit". (So not much-loved, but more importantly, not Tilke proper, who one would expect will do the actual design.)

I also suspect that there will be a strong push from Super TC 2000, TRV6, and especially Turismo Carretera to retain the ability to use the existing layouts.

(Just to note, TC celebrated 80 years this past season by holding a 1000-km race over 178 laps on Layout No. 12. And Fangio won the series back in 1940-41.)

[S griffin]

Sounds promising, I guess if the TC2000 want to keep the current layout, there's not a lot F1 can do to change it and it also helps that Charlie Whiting is against adding a hairpin, so hopefully there won't be a layout that will ruin the flow of the circuit

[wnut]

If they leave the circuits unique, in this case high speed flowing circuit, they will introduce more variables and the results will be more interesting.
If all the circuits are basically the same, expect the same result.