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So we should be racing on circuits of 100 years ago and using safety provisions from those times?
No more valid then saying we should get rid of helmets and seat belts.Let alone HANS devices,safety barriers and sealed roads.There has been resistance to every safety improvement in motor racing saying it would ruin the fabric of the sport.Jackie Stewart could tell you a thousand stories. Easy for people sitting on the outside of the fence and not risking lives and finances to be cavalier about safety. Last edited by Alan52; 19 Feb 2018 at 05:29. |
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PEOPLE live and work there! Never seem so much hysterics over such a simple incident...sure, all the carbon fibre stopped the race...but Hey! that's Motorsport... I think someone should do a check of the tunnel under the track...I think trolls are living there! |
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Instead of spoiling the track over one incident that everyone walked away from, perhaps look at the cars rather than just the track? Its what they do in Indycars and NASCAR. |
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The 12 Hour incident has not caused my opinion even though I was sitting on the bank watching it occur in front of me.
Much of Le Mans is a public road and that has not stopped them constantly improving safety provisions in those sections for either 1 or 2 meetings a year(Depending if it is a Le Mans Classic year). Spa-"not the challenge it was","just another track".Have you ever been there?Are you proposing we go back to the 1960's layout?The layout has not been changed since the rebuild of the early 80's except for improvements to the Bus Stop which has actually made it more flowing.The aura of Spa has not subsided. So anyone who wants to consider safety is a troll? |
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I think the best thing to happen, for all concerned, is to have the relatively newcomer 12 Hour crowd move their event to a much "safer" track...there are several available, in Australasia, not to mention the new Tailem Bend circuit (ooooohh, close to world class winery's etc). Other circuits may not have the absolutely star pulling power for the TV audiences and the cheap thrills, but they will be safe...and that's the main consideration. The several venues I can think of would all appreciate the influx of money, tourism exposure and kudos etc... Millions have been spent on improvements to Bathurst of the last few decades, but sadly, its possibly not up to the standard our overseas visitors are used to or expect... so let them find a really safe place to play, courtesy of the Australian people (thank you very much!) and their local sycophants...and leave a valuable racing slot at Mount Panorama for the many Australians who love the place! |
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For a lot of years, the powers that be thought having a sandtrap coming off Skyline was a clever thing to do. The powers tbe put a concrete pad there instead, and arguably there are less safety-car-able incidents coming from that stretch of road.
Dig into the hill amd carve another 3’ or 6’ of road width out of the dirt... Then the next pressure point shows up.. so they do more And the next one. Anything is possible.. |
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Perhaps if you want to find the "strong body of opinion" you could use Mr Google, go through Spa race reports and you'll find plenty of comment from drivers about the challenge of the circuit having changed. They still enjoy going there but in particular, Eau Rouge is often mentioned as being way less of a challenge than it once was. |
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In my view it would be a mistake to make wholesale changes to the top of the mountain without considering the entire length of track, unintended consequences etc. Absolutely should not be rushed into.
Moving back walls to open sight lines for example sounds like a safety improvement but it also means that bravery & commitment is not needed to the same extent and that more are likely to be quick there, more often - set the cars up maybe a bit differently as a result and perhaps arrive at the next corner more quickly than is currently the case. For sure improved signalling systems would be an improvement with no unintended consequences but any physical changes to the track need the sort of approach that VASC appears to be taking. If their review suggests changes would be beneficial then they'll need to take their views to the FIA, CAMS & Bathurst Council. I guess that we'll need to show some patience and see what they come up with. |
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And lets not talk about the concrete car park sized runoff at Pouhon. Its ridiculous when a driver can make an error at say Pouhon, run off the track at high speed, not even have to lift, and can then rejoin without losing any time.
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Can't see a problem with putting in a chicane to the left in the area where wrecked cars usually get towed to, cars would already be braking in the current danger area so the high speeds that cause the problem would not exist and the mountain would have a couple of new corners to thrill the fans.
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Don't forget Spa 'modifications' were mainly to keep F1 happy. I can assure those that have never driven it that there are still enough places to hurt your car and yourself! Radillon and Blanchimont in particular...
Going back to Sulman Park, my thoughts are that a review of Marshal locations and signalling methods is certainly worthwhile. I'm not one to advocate layout changes and anesthetizing the challenge, but at least making sure drivers have the best available information on what is happening 'round the corner' must be a good thing? |
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I would use the word 'optimise', but it'll just upset the grumpy and cynical "back-in-my-dayers".
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If there hadn't have been an accident the other week, would this have been being talked about? The drivers didn't threaten a boycott or anything in the wake of the Mark Porter accident, so obviously they are happy to race it in it's current configuration
They aren't putting sandtraps on the outside of Turn 2 at Indianapolis after Bourdais' accident there last year, or making any modifications at all, why do we need to put any in at Bathurst. This is motor racing, crashes happen. There is also now no penalty when a driver pushes too hard over Skyline, they just straightline down the tarmac run-off and keep going |
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