Our leading drivers still not respecting the yellow flags

[Woolley]

As an guide to that, I give you Jarno Trulli at last year's GP doing the same thing. Even the stewards failed to notice that, so you can't expect commentators (ex-drivers) to get it. Methinks some people need to spend some time trackside to understand why this is important.

[Barman1963]

Originally Posted by Woolley

As an guide to that, I give you Jarno Trulli at last year's GP doing the same thing. Even the stewards failed to notice that, so you can't expect commentators (ex-drivers) to get it. Methinks some people need to spend some time trackside to understand why this is important.

I agree. I've been a long time advocate that all competition licence holders should have to spend a day on the bank. Those who have spent time trackside go away with a much better idea of what and why the proper behaviour under yellows is important.

[Simon S]

Originally Posted by Barman1963

I agree. I've been a long time advocate that all competition licence holders should have to spend a day on the bank. Those who have spent time trackside go away with a much better idea of what and why the proper behaviour under yellows is important.

don't disagree, most of us (racers) have done a day or more....

[bludvl_x19]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

2nd'd. Get tough with it, or theres no point even having the rules.

First offence excluded from the round, second offence excluded for the year, 3rd offence goodbye racing license. Wouldn't be too many people (maybe morris at the enduro's) who would rack up more than one offence if that was the penalty.

That 3k is a joke really, pocket change for someone like whincup

I dunno, he looked pretty upset when he had to apologise to the officials the next morning
(my apologies for the red hat in the foreground, but I didn't get a better shot with his puppy-dog eyes)

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

I dunno, he looked pretty upset when he had to apologise to the officials the next morning
(my apologies for the red hat in the foreground, but I didn't get a better shot with his puppy-dog eyes)

I'd probably put on that face aswell if i was in his position, ie got caught (but i wouldn't be, if i was a racer i'd abide by the rules, especially the yellow/red flag rules)

[malscar]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

I dunno, he looked pretty upset when he had to apologise to the officials the next morning
(my apologies for the red hat in the foreground, but I didn't get a better shot with his puppy-dog eyes)

This was in a totally different class. Ignoring waved yellows on a hot track is bad enough, but when the track is 'green' for the officials, with approximately 10 guys out cleaning between turn 6 and 7, and have Whincup (after the presentation) to drive past waved yellows in a non racing situation and actually be sideways out of turn 6 is criminal. The slap on the wrist and to be told to talk to the officials the next day (he was told to, he did not ask to as per mentioned in the briefing ) was just a slap in the face to the officials.

[AJR]

Originally Posted by Simon S

don't disagree, most of us (racers) have done a day or more....

True, but most of us only do this once as part of our first license upgrade, if it were an annual requirement AND was spread across the various officiating disciplines it would result in greater mutual respect.

[AJR]

Originally Posted by bludvl_x19

(my apologies for the red hat in the foreground, but I didn't get a better shot with his puppy-dog eyes)

Sorry, could very well be my red hat on the foreground there *ducks*

[nomad_n]

At the FOSC meeting in the weekend we had afew drivers pass under yellow and also ignore them as well. They all got pulled in front of the stewards and got a telling off.

We even had a driver pass a car under waved yellow then under stationary yellow in the same sector. But Karma got him - he came out of hell Corner sideways and ripped the oil line out of the engine and blew an engine.... Yet the marshals had to clean that up....

[Simon S]

Originally Posted by nomad_n

At the FOSC meeting in the weekend we had afew drivers pass under yellow and also ignore them as well. They all got pulled in front of the stewards and got a telling off.

We even had a driver pass a car under waved yellow then under stationary yellow in the same sector. But Karma got him - he came out of hell Corner sideways and ripped the oil line out of the engine and blew an engine.... Yet the marshals had to clean that up....

different meeting all-together (from F1 GT)...

several hundred entrants/cars, and (so far as I could see) no car on car incidents.

std of driving may not be top line, but the level of respect shown between drivers on track was very evident.

[STEALTHY]

Was there an outcome to the bowe incident? (or is it being discussed in the GT thread, havn't seen that bumped for a week or so either)

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by AJR

Sorry, could very well be my red hat on the foreground there *ducks*

I wondered what Dickie Knee was up to these days!!

[mtpanorama]

There were a few races today at Wakefield Park for the NSW state champ where the yellows were ignored. Most of them were groups of drivers racing and coming up to the flag point in a bunch and all of a sudden they realised there were yellows out.

The worst was the yellows that were out from the last corner to the start finish line and a car overtook another on the main straight under yellows and NOT one official saw it, and they complain about drivers not looking.

[Woolley]

Didn't see it, or did see it but didn't get both numbers?

[mtpanorama]

No report was made by flaggies and the CofC and the rest of the people in the room managed to miss it out their window right in front of them. There is video from the car being overtaken but they wont accept that as evidence.

[NewsStalker]

Originally Posted by mtpanorama

There is video from the car being overtaken but they wont accept that as evidence.

Why is this? They won't accept videos because they can be manipulated (and officials certainly can't either!)




Much.....

[aussiemuscle308]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

Originally Posted by racer69
Using a speed limiter for safety cars could also give the added benefit (depending on the type of accident/reason for safety car admittedly) of not needing to bunch the cars up, meaning hard earnt race leads would not be lost
It's like suggesting half-back should feed into the centre of the scrum instead of feeding it into the second row. It's technically illegal to let them feed the second row but all the TV/entertainment advocate types like the scrums separate the forwards from the backs on the field allowing some flashy running Rugby (League mainly) so everyone turns a blind eye.

unlike the flags, the scrum issue could easily be fixed by having the ref throw in the ball (an unfair scrum defeats the entire purpose of the scrum, btw).
i only race on computer games, but it's a lot easier to notice a light in your face than a tiny flag on the sidelines.

[nomad_n]

Well the solluntion is if they continue to do it they get told to stand on the flag point for a whole weekend and go trackside when there is a incident to clean it up and they will sonn realise that they have to stop ignoring the Yellow flags

[PVDA]

[NewsStalker]

Does this also apply to certain officials in race control who appear to have forgotten the basics???

[Rachel Richards]

Originally Posted by NewsStalker

Does this also apply to certain officials in race control who appear to have forgotten the basics???

Oh yes please.

I can just see Timmy harnessed in, sitting on the tailgate of a Navara, dropping rice hull ash on an oil spill.
Then chewing some dust, as the brooms go down, and it gets driven through to clear the excess, before racing resumes....

Or having to go out & attempting to 'snatch' a stricken car in the 70 odd seconds before the field arrives again.
(thus saving a deployment of the 'Entertainment car’ ™® )

And then explaining to Race Control, why during the attempted hot track recovery effort the tow hook broke, as you were attempting to drag it clear of the circuit, thus requiring the use of the 'Entertainment car’ ™®
(that same hook the 'machine examiners' passed as being sufficient, and as per the technical regulations)

Or better still, radioing back to race control that the safety (or recovery) vehicle you are crewing will not be moving until all the field are controlled behind the aforementioned 'Entertainment car’ ™®, because you are fearful for your own personal safety, due to the fact that there are still " Aces" out there flying around at warp speed, trying to catch the train...

Tim, take the Pepsi challenge, go trackside (during an event) and you might actually learn a thing or two.
Just because you scored a point in F1 doesn’t mean you understand the demands you & yours are putting on today’s volunteer Marshalls

[NewsStalker]

Originally Posted by Rachel Richards

Just because you scored a point in F1 doesn’t mean you understand the demands you & yours are putting on today’s volunteer Marshalls

Yes but cheating teams in those days actually got suspended - just ask Timmy baby...

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by paydirt

You're probably right.

A question has to be asked, though regarding the role of the Team Manager etc. in this incident.

The TV clearly showed where the Ascari was parked.
Why weren't they on the radio telling their drivers of JB's predicament?...and why weren't they 'advising' them to proceed with caution before, during and after the impact?

Were the Team Managers watching those TVs? Could they? Standing in a pit lane where all the pit boxes are filled with F1 teams and their cars all fenced off how might pit crew watch their TVs? With the big screens likely above their heads facing away from them?

Or do they have access to TV screens somewhere?

[Simon S]

Originally Posted by Falcadore

Were the Team Managers watching those TVs? Could they? Standing in a pit lane where all the pit boxes are filled with F1 teams and their cars all fenced off how might pit crew watch their TVs? With the big screens likely above their heads facing away from them?

Or do they have access to TV screens somewhere?

as one of the 'team managers' in the pit lane, you can't see ****.

also, we only have radio's to listen to race control, not tell them stuff, so even if the 'manager' was talking to John, he has no way to relay this to race control.

[Southern Man]

Originally Posted by aussiemuscle308

i only race on computer games, but it's a lot easier to notice a light in your face than a tiny flag on the sidelines.

Real life happens in real time complete with consequences, it does not have the advantages of reset or replay buttons. Sadly, this is also somehing that many young drivers on our roads are learning daily

When bagging officials for not seeing and/or reporting something people forget that the further away that you are standing from the incident the clearer overall view you have of it. Something like you can't see the woods for the tree does spring to mind