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Old 6 Dec 2017, 07:32 (Ref:3785374)   #46
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Problem with reducing the penalty is that speeding in pit lane can occur anywhere down the lane, not just at pit entry and there are people working in the lane.

The penalty in my view needs to be a big one to really keep teams focussed on it - it works too you might say given the level of focus that DJRTP are putting on it to address the problem from their end.

In a different way it's like the ECU or testing rules - really big punishments for transgressing so no-one goes there at all (well, not recently anyway).
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Problem with reducing the penalty is that speeding in pit lane can occur anywhere down the lane, not just at pit entry and there are people working in the lane.

The penalty in my view needs to be a big one to really keep teams focussed on it - it works too you might say given the level of focus that DJRTP are putting on it to address the problem from their end.

In a different way it's like the ECU or testing rules - really big punishments for transgressing so no-one goes there at all (well, not recently anyway).
10 seconds is a big penalty in the scheme of things, so big it can cost you a championship
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10 seconds is a big penalty in the scheme of things, so big it can cost you a championship
But if you got such a small penalty early in a long race, you could easily make that time up, particularly if you were smart about when you take your next pitstop and add the penalty.

It may be that they review the penalty for pit lane speeding, I'm just saying that it is something taken seriously due to the proximity of humans in the lane.
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But if you got such a small penalty early in a long race, you could easily make that time up, particularly if you were smart about when you take your next pitstop and add the penalty.

It may be that they review the penalty for pit lane speeding, I'm just saying that it is something taken seriously due to the proximity of humans in the lane.
same as a jump start though. Same as turning someone around

We dont have a problem with speeding in pit lane, at most cars are doing 1-5 km over, yes worthy of a penalty, but not worth ruining a race for it.

We fine $100 per km/h in practise
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 09:37 (Ref:3785389)   #50
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If it was a fine in the race teams would calculate how much they are willing to pay for a shorter pit stop.At $100/kilometre it could be the best $5000 a team could spend.
Whatever the line is teams will push it right up to that line to the point they can avoid penalty.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 09:48 (Ref:3785392)   #51
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Exactly Alan, that's why it needs to be a strong penalty in race conditions.

Make it more of a free for all and the risks are greater.
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I wasnt suggesting there should be a fine in the race. just listing what happens in practise

10 seconds is a significant penalty, more sever than is gained by being by being a few kms over
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 21:56 (Ref:3785528)   #53
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And lol at calling anything "100% accurate"...
True.

Once you claim 100% accuracy you are well on the way to losing the argument.

Even military grade equipment is never claimed to be 100% accurate or reliable.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:18 (Ref:3785534)   #54
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To me , I would go with modern equipment, sensors, light beams, point to point, take out the finger on the radar gun, making pit entry a tadd longer to slow down, unlike govt roads, where you do 100k's , but as soon as you exit, jump on the brakes to 60 ks or less
I agree.... NASCAR style full pit lane loop system to keep an eye on the cars across the whole lane. Why just monitor the start of the lane, do the whole thing. Whilst they're at it, impose the use across the whole weekend, every car/category running is subject to the system.

Whilst we're at it, get rid of these Judges of Fact that change from event to event. Assign a set of officials for the whole year for the category. There's too much at stake, sponsors, prize money, gambling and so on, to be messing around with volunteers in positions like this. Yes they all do a great job and these events wouldn't happen without them, but there's some positions that need full timers in them.
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Old 6 Dec 2017, 22:34 (Ref:3785537)   #55
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“The Dorian timing system is a foolproof, point to point system with an accuracy to 1/10,000 of a second,” the statement read.

Its basic maths, on the assumption it is set up right it has to be accurate. If it is not set up right then why didnt it catch the other teams. why did it catch two cars from one team

To me that is more likely a DJRTP error
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It would seem more likely a DJR mistake, however, it was said that Scotty was over by a small amount. If the other teams were being more (overly) cautious and if the system wasn't setup right (possible, human error) maybe it makes sense.

That's a whole lot of ifs though
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Whilst we're at it, get rid of these Judges of Fact that change from event to event. Assign a set of officials for the whole year for the category. There's too much at stake, sponsors, prize money, gambling and so on, to be messing around with volunteers in positions like this. Yes they all do a great job and these events wouldn't happen without them, but there's some positions that need full timers in them.
The Judges of Fact for Supercars are full timers, with maybe one exception for the Chief of Timing and the CoC at each round.
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10 seconds is a significant penalty, more sever than is gained by being by being a few kms over
Shouldn't the penalty always exceed what was gained, to discourage people from doing it?

It's not a penalty if you don't lose anything
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Shouldn't the penalty always exceed what was gained, to discourage people from doing it?

It's not a penalty if you don't lose anything


Case in point, forgive me for the ball sport reference.

Kevin Sheedy once said that he would be more than happy for a player to commit a foul that resulted in a 15m penalty, because the advantage gained by potentially slowing the game down more than outweighed the miniscule penalty.
The AFL changed the penalty to 50m, and Sheedy changed his mind.
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There's nothing to stop the teams running their cars at 1kph under the limit and aiming to be down to that speed 10 yds before the line. No risk of a costly mistake then if it's that important for the championship. And if all teams do it, there's no loss of gain.

The problem is trying to run right to the absolute edge, and the further problem is trying to avoid the consequences of doing so and not being quite on the money.
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