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6 Dec 2002, 08:23 (Ref:443963)
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60,s sports cars
can anyone advise me about the individual merits of Lotus 23B, Elva Mk7 and Merlyn Mk4 and Mk7 and Crossley 9s(?)
Is the Lotus and Elva actually better and therefore deserve to be at a premium in cost or is it just snob factor? |
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6 Dec 2002, 15:15 (Ref:444275)
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I think that there are a number of factors to be weighed in here. Certainly the Lotus and Elva do seem to be the faster of the cars that you have listed, as well as having names with more 'provenance'. The Brabham BT8 is a car that is also well worthy of consideration within this group.
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6 Dec 2002, 15:35 (Ref:444298)
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is the time difference round most circuits significant - ie are Lotus and Elva significantly faster? Round Spa for example a well driven Lotus 23 can lap at 2.57 which is very impressive - does anyone know what a well driven Merlyn or Crossle can lap Spa or does anyone have comparable lap times anywhere else? In respect to Goodwood have Merlyns or Crossle's been invited to race yet? Do Brabhams use Lotus twin cams as well? sorry to ask 20 questions!
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6 Dec 2002, 15:46 (Ref:444311)
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having just read something about BT8's i think they are most likely out of my league and it seems there are only 10 in existance!
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6 Dec 2002, 15:53 (Ref:444324)
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The BT-8 primarily used the 2.0 climax.
The Elva was also competitive using a 2.0 BWM engine at times. Don't ask me much about Goodwood, I'm on the wrong side of the pond.  As far as lap times are concerned, it really is tough to say. I've seen Elva's, 23's and BT8's raced pretty regularly here in North American, and campaigned by some decent drivers. There are a couple of Merlyn's here, but never competitive, and I've seen a slow Crossle as well. I can tell you that the 2.0 climax engines that are running in North America are hardly what you Brit's would consider to be legit engines, but more as cheaters, as they have received substantial upgrades and reworking. To see a 23B outdrag a Scarab at Elkhart Lake was quite the sight. Interesting results for you. http://wspr-racing.com/results/usrrc/usrrc1964.html http://wspr-racing.com/results/usrrc/usrrc1963.html http://wspr-racing.com/results/usrrc/usrrc1965.html http://www.teamdan.com/archive/wsc/1965/65tt.html http://wspr-racing.com/results/usrrc/usrrc1966.html World championship tables at http://wspr-racing.com/results/wscc/nf_ms_home.html |
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6 Dec 2002, 15:56 (Ref:444328)
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Here are some prices of cars that have sold in the area that you are looking, with their sale prices.
http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/hsr.htm |
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6 Dec 2002, 15:58 (Ref:444331)
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http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/me...1/mk4a01ss.htm
1963 Merlyn MK4A Sports Racer Serial Number: 29 RS 4A Gearbox Number: H4 - 164 Logbooks: SCCA Condition: Concours Price: $42,000 USD Firm Location: California USA |
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6 Dec 2002, 16:02 (Ref:444336)
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http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/lo...3/23-953ss.htm
1963 Lotus 23 B Serial Number: 20-23-953 Logbooks: has held SVRA, HSR Condition: Concours Price: $65,000 OBO Location: Minnesota, USA |
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6 Dec 2002, 16:03 (Ref:444339)
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http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/el...1/mk6x01ss.htm
Serial Number: Has Tag Logbooks: VARA - SVRA Condition: Very Good Price: $72,000 USD - Trades Location: New York City area, US |
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6 Dec 2002, 16:03 (Ref:444341)
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http://www.race-cars.com/carsales/el...6/70-046ss.htm
1964 Elva Mk7S Sports Racer Serial Number: 70/046 Logbooks: FIA Identify Form Condition: excellent, restored condition, race ready Price: $69,000 EUR Location: Europe |
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6 Dec 2002, 16:11 (Ref:444350)
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If you want to talk with someone super knowledgeable, and super friendly, give Jack Boxstrom an e-mail.
You can find his e-mail here... http://www.rmauctions.com/contact/ He would likely know where to find you a car within your price range as well. |
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6 Dec 2002, 16:39 (Ref:444379)
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that is very kind thanks - I looked at this site yesterday. I will let you know how I get on!
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6 Dec 2002, 16:57 (Ref:444398)
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Good Luck with things.
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14 Dec 2002, 00:10 (Ref:449466)
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Looking back at the Goodwood auction catalogue from 1998, there was a mint Lotus 23B went for £23000. What a bargain!
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16 Dec 2002, 07:28 (Ref:450876)
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you cannot even buy a Merlyn for that!
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