[Driver] Jules Bianchi

[ECW Dan Selby]

I just thought it'd be appropriate to keep all of the Jules Bianchi talk in one place, rather than in a few different places.

My mum mentioned something to me today about (ironically) a statement from the parents saying that Jules was still not breathing voluntarily.

I saw the crash today, and I struggle to see how anyone can get away with that kind of impact. I'm absolutely hoping Jules can defy the odds.

Seems a nice friendly chap, and no doubts about his talents behind the wheel. But right now, i'm sure we're all just hoping he's going to be ok, whether it's a life in F1, or a life without F1.

Thoughts are still with Jules, the friends, and of course, the family.

Selby

[MoMedic9019]

No, out of surgery, breathing on own, in stable, but serious condition. Sounds like it was a subdural bleed. Should make a good recovery.

[tux]

The reports of him breathing unaided are sadly not accurate according to the reports from 6/10/14, very little information has been released as of yet however his family are there/due to arrive today (7.10.14) and after they have been briefed then im sure we will get a more detailed update.

[MoMedic9019]

Originally Posted by tux

The reports of him breathing unaided are sadly not accurate according to the reports from 6/10/14, very little information has been released as of yet however his family are there/due to arrive today (7.10.14) and after they have been briefed then im sure we will get a more detailed update.

Ah, even at that, a subdural bleed is usually not a life threat when recognized and treated within a reasonable amount of time. If he remains on mechanical ventilation for much more than a week, then i'd be more concerned.

[Nicholosophy]

Statement from Bianchi family via Marussia http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/1035/

Very bad news. Hopefully he regains consciousness. #forzajules

[fergus_r]

Originally Posted by MoMedic9019

Ah, even at that, a subdural bleed is usually not a life threat when recognized and treated within a reasonable amount of time. If he remains on mechanical ventilation for much more than a week, then i'd be more concerned.

Why don't you wait for information instead of guessing?

Indeed the statement released today is very bad news unfortunately.

[tux]

Originally Posted by fergus_r

Why don't you wait for information instead of guessing?

Indeed the statement released today is very bad news unfortunately.

To be fair on the Sunday that was what all the major news networks were reporting however on the Monday morning that was said to be false information. Anyway it doesnt matter really, all that matters is that Jules recovers.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by fergus_r

Why don't you wait for information instead of guessing?

Indeed the statement released today is very bad news unfortunately.

Actually the statement tells you little about Jules specific condition other than the fact that he has DAI, and that he is in the care of doctors.

DAI is the injury that results from the severe deceleration of the brain when lesions occur and the axons are disrupted, these being the avenues that allow one neuron to communicate with one another. It is a common cause of unconsciousness but can also result in a vegetative state. Coma is common.

It can occur in auto accidents, falls, assaults and child abuse as in shaken baby syndrome. It is not like brain trauma which occurs from direct impact or deformation of the brain.
Axons are not torn by impact but by secondary biochemical cascades that take place hours or even days after the initial injury.

So while the initial reports may have seemed positive (and may have been totally accurate) what has since taken place is compounding the situation and there is nothing we can do about it but allow medical expertise to work through the issues.

Brain injury is not an exact science and every case is unique, just like my own injury 20 months ago, so don't sound off at people.
Just understand that that brain injury and healing for Jules, is a process and it can get better, or worse. We just don't yet know.

[Amaroo Park]

Keep praying for him thats all we can do now

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

Actually the statement tells you little about Jules specific condition other than the fact that he has DAI, and that he is in the care of doctors.

DAI is the injury that results from the severe deceleration of the brain when lesions occur and the axons are disrupted, these being the avenues that allow one neuron to communicate with one another. It is a common cause of unconsciousness but can also result in a vegetative state. Coma is common.

It can occur in auto accidents, falls, assaults and child abuse as in shaken baby syndrome. It is not like brain trauma which occurs from direct impact or deformation of the brain.
Axons are not torn by impact but by secondary biochemical cascades that take place hours or even days after the initial injury.

So while the initial reports may have seemed positive (and may have been totally accurate) what has since taken place is compounding the situation and there is nothing we can do about it but allow medical expertise to work through the issues.

Brain injury is not an exact science and every case is unique, just like my own injury 20 months ago, so don't sound off at people.
Just understand that that brain injury and healing for Jules, is a process and it can get better, or worse. We just don't yet know.

Hard to disagree with anything you've said here.

I'm sure most have seen Gary Hartstein's take on it, but just in case you missed it, here it is.

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by davyboy

Hard to disagree with anything you've said here.

I'm sure most have seen Gary Hartstein's take on it, but just in case you missed it, here it is.

Thanks davyboy. I found Garys blog after I had posted this. Since my own accident in December 2012, I take a close interest in brain injuries.

[mikuni]

It is an interesting situation. I think if he is stable it is likely to be a while before much news, good or bad, really comes to the surface. Similar to Schumacher, although if realise it is an entirely different injury.

So, for the purpose of positivity for Jules and the Bianchi family, are there any examples of a serious DAI leads to a full recovery?

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by mikuni

It is an interesting situation. I think if he is stable it is likely to be a while before much news, good or bad, really comes to the surface. Similar to Schumacher, although if realise it is an entirely different injury.

So, for the purpose of positivity for Jules and the Bianchi family, are there any examples of a serious DAI leads to a full recovery?

I don't believe they graded the DAI, so we don't know if it's 'serious' or 'mild'. People with mild DAI have made complete recoveries.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Amaroo Park

Keep praying for him thats all we can do now

+1

#ForzaJules

[mikuni]

Originally Posted by davyboy

I don't believe they graded the DAI, so we don't know if it's 'serious' or 'mild'. People with mild DAI have made complete recoveries.

That is true. From what I have read, the fact that he was rendered unconscious means that it is a comparatively serious case. I guess we just have to wait, and hope, and pray for the best.

Forza Jules

[csirl]

http://www.thescore.ie/jules-bianchi...12030-Oct2014/

Unfortunately, the media are now reporting that his family have made a statement and the chances of recovery are slim.

[bella]

that's exactly the same statement as everyone else, just with a different slant on the expert opinion and making a few reaching assumptions.

an example of a good outcome from the more serious end of this injury is richard hammond, for those who were wondering what one looked like. the short, medium and longer term effects it had on him are fairly well documented.

[davyboy]

Originally Posted by bella

that's exactly the same statement as everyone else, just with a different slant on the expert opinion and making a few reaching assumptions.

an example of a good outcome from the more serious end of this injury is richard hammond, for those who were wondering what one looked like. the short, medium and longer term effects it had on him are fairly well documented.

I think Richard Hammond may have suffered a mild DAI. He was initially conscious when rescuers got to him and complaining of back pain. I don't believe that he had surgery either. That's not taking anything away from the seriousness of Hammond's injuries, nor how remarkable his recover has been... but sadly I feel we may be dealing with something very different in Jules' case.

[bella]

again, not a doctor but dai is apparently something that is caused by but develops after the incident. i'm not sure the level of consciousness and the dai itself are connected other than the impact causes the injury.

i hope.

[Nicholosophy]

Originally Posted by bella

again, not a doctor but dai is apparently something that is caused by but develops after the incident. i'm not sure the level of consciousness and the dai itself are connected other than the impact causes the injury.

i hope.

From reading Dr Hartstein and others, if you remain conscious then it's mild to medium and in more severe DAI you are conscious and then become unconscious. All speculation of course.

In this day and age we are so used to knowing EVERYTHING because of social media, twitter, news outlets etc. In the case of Schumacher we have heard little in a while, so we all are left wondering. It's his family's right to do that, and we have to accept it.

In the case of Bianchi it appears his family would like to limit the information available as well. It will lead to speculation but they are entitled to do that. I hope that the media and fans can understand why and allow them this time.

[davyboy]

Last night I spoke with a friend of mine who's a neurologist. He said DAI is one of the worst types of brain injury for several reasons :

o It is very difficult to accurately diagnose its extent because it's not apparent on imagining systems.
o It can not be surgically treated - essentially you just have to wait for the brain's connections to repair where they can.
o While there are cases of remarkable recoveries, mainly from mild DAI, the general prognosis is sadly very bleak.

One thing he said that was common with all forms of DAI is that the outcome is not predictable.

[mikuni]

Some news: Latest reports are saying Jules Bianchi is now out of his medically induced comer, but is still unconscious. He is breathing on his own, and perhaps most importantly, is now in a condition where he has been able to have been transported back to France, which is fantastic news for his family.

His condition is still listed as stable but critical, and I suppose in the longer term this does not necessarily mean he is any more likely to make a recovery, but this is still good news and I was very happy to read it this morning.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/30120317

[GT6]

good news but he still has a long way to go, so lets all hope it goes well

[Nikki Katz]

It's positive news I guess, but I was hoping for a lot better.

[mikuni]

Originally Posted by Nikki Katz

It's positive news I guess, but I was hoping for a lot better.

I understand it is an extremely serious injury, as serious as a head injury gets. The fact that he is not dead already is a miracle in itself. For me, any even remotely positive news is good news, as this is going to be a long haul recovery, similar in some ways to Michael's. I'll take each piece of positive news and keep an eye on what is happening, because Jules deserves it.

That said, I hope sincerely that he recovers enough to one day race again, as unlikely as that may be.