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Good to finally dispel all the tosh about Kimi.
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I wonder how it feels for Buemi and Alguesuari right now...
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in their defence, the timing was never going to work out with replacing webber. he was still in his prime when they were flogging the wheels off their toro rosso.
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So who's going to TR now to replace Dan?
It could be a bit early for AFDC... RB would be too embarassed to bring Buemi or Alguersuari back. Actually looking at their young driver list, it's looking a bit sad... Tom Blomqvist António Félix da Costa Daniil Kvyat Callan O'Keeffe Carlos Sainz, Jr. Beitske Visser I know little of Visser, Keeffe and Blomqvist. Kvyat and Sainz Jr haven't really impressed me. They're gonna have to bring Costa up to F1 I think. Re other potential jrs... hell there's a bunch in Gp2, in my opinion. The fact that no one seems to be able to dominate GP2 this year means either they're all inconsistent, or it's a very strong field of drivers. I vote the latter. |
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Sad nothing Razzzor.
Sainz jr. and DaCosta are pretty awesome. Sainz particularly is also very young and an artist in the car, so he should have a lot of potential. |
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that reads rather like a terrible case of the fanboy spectacles, but then again i also enjoy playing devils advocate and offering the other side of the argument to what we hear all the time
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Saward has always been on the bitter side, prepared to show bias. Anyway good Daniel well deserved
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Gee whizz you better go buy a Lotto ticket, no one possibly could have guessed that Dan would be in the seat just 2 weeks ago, after which Kimi had already announced it wasn't him :P
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hey, lay off, let the guy have his moment
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Joe Saward is laughable sometimes. I agree that Vergne was the better choice but he's not a threat to Vettel in any way
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Alguerssari's case is the typical case of graduating to F1 too early. I agree he showed some interesting potential but the mistakes were just as big and in F1, you are NOT forgiven anymore! Would have been better to run him in WSR slightly longer and prepare him mentally as the kid was prone to be very good. A waste in my view and a dangerous tendency RB has to hurry and try and build very young world champions. It worked for Vettel (unique driver in my view) but not since then. Ricciardo has a totally different path and is given the proper chance. Change of strategy also at RB?
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i agree partially. there are definitely cases where age doesn't matter, like as you say, vettel. perhaps with the smarter drivers - alguersuari comes into that category - talk a good game, and express themselves in a mature way thats easy to mistake for being "ready".
i'd dispute that red bull rush drivers into things generally though - if like vergne and ricciardo they're good enough to be in contention for a title in their first year in formula renault 3.5 for example then how else can you prepare them on track? they took a different route with them than they have done with sainz for example. they've given sainz more time to learn and amble through the ranks than the two current toro rosso drivers, and yet people are saying that those guys have underachieved... |
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Well maybe Sainz is not as good as some think. I wouldn't really know at this stage. For me it is too early and one need to judge how he handles the bigger cars for at least a full year (ie WSR or GP2) which Alguer didnt even have!
I do rate both Vergne and Ricciardo though and even if RB will get only one Vettel in their driver's ladder (which is in itself an achievement!), the two are proper F1 material and could probably fight in the top 5 with any competitive F1. Ricciardo has the chance of a lifetime and I fear he will be judged (too?) hardly. I am concerned they will destroy him if he doesnt match Vettel immediately which is not fair and maybe even impossible in your first year? Tough but beautiful opportunity. I will be routing for him, you can bet on that! |
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I don't think anyone will judge him too harshly as it's an impossible challenge. He's scored 22 points in 42 race starts, up against a (most likely) 4 times WDC who maybe hasn't even reached his full potential.
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I could see Vergne in a Lotus when Kimi leaves or something, and doing quite nicely for himself. His future isn't necessarily at RB especially having been passed over (wrongly, for me) for the RB seat in favour of someone who he's outscored two seasons in a row. Vergne is a brilliant racer, and when he's confident and hooked up he's up there with Ricciardo in qualifying as well. Consistency on Saturdays is his only issue and moving away from the pressure of the Red Bull programme could be the making of him. He's definitely proved more worthy of a long term place in F1 than Buemi or Alguersuari.
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