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12 May 2004, 08:32 (Ref:968415)
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Next Year In LMP1
so what are the rules for next year's LMP1 class in regards to current cars? i.e. what are the current LMES teams required to do with their non-2004-spec cars (mind you this is the whole field except the nasamax, and the c65 cars in lmp2...) and how long are the current era cars legal?
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12 May 2004, 10:44 (Ref:968526)
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The ACO reserve the right to penalise the old cars more if required. The main problem here being with the Audis, but the R9 should solve that.
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12 May 2004, 13:17 (Ref:968691)
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IMSA will allow the current reg cars to run through to the end of 2005.
The ACO may have to as well, as there still hasn't been a single purpose built LMP1 announced for construction. The Audi "R9" as we call it, will not appear until such time as there is worthy competition announced. (So at this time, 05' is certainly doubtful) As per normal, things will begin to fall in place (or not) come the Fall. |
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12 May 2004, 16:49 (Ref:968920)
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Isn't the new Nasamax car made to the new specs? Seems to me that is what I have read.
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12 May 2004, 18:01 (Ref:968963)
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I believe that the Nasamax car was reconfigured to the new specs, but is not a true LMP1 design from the beginning.
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12 May 2004, 18:05 (Ref:968970)
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...which makes it a hybrid, eligible for competition up to the end of '06.
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12 May 2004, 18:31 (Ref:969002)
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Lister is currently building a new LMP1 car.
The DBA/Zytek teams are eveluating all avenues, such as a totally new car, Hybrid or staying the same. I personally think many teams will be encouraged by the performance of the NASAMAX, and the short time it took for the team to build the Hybrid car. |
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12 May 2004, 19:17 (Ref:969053)
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I thought that some of the Zyteks are listed in entry lists as "Zytek 04" cars???? But last year's chassis is still listed as a DBA/Zytek..... Does that mean that the "DBA" car is still in 2003 specs??? and for the "Zytek 04s"...are they "Hybrids?" Please advise.... Thanks! |
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12 May 2004, 19:28 (Ref:969064)
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The Zytek 04s are 'new' evolutions of the 'DBA'. They are lighter and have other tweaks.
Creation can buy the mods for their car if they so wish. The Zytek 04s is still a 2003 spec car. Zytek, IMO, will look at either producing a hybrid of the current car, or building a brand new LMP1 car, based on the running gear of the 2003 spec car. Zytek are in prototypes for the long term, as has been shown with there commitment to running a works team. The whole point of the team is to demonstrate the cars performance to potential customers. Last edited by JAG; 12 May 2004 at 19:30. |
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12 May 2004, 19:37 (Ref:969070)
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Thanks for the clarification, Jag...
I was under the impression that they were Hybrids already.... Glad you raised the issue and set me straight.... I appreciate it... |
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13 May 2004, 01:43 (Ref:969359)
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13 May 2004, 05:01 (Ref:969443)
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At my knowing, there's only one LMP1 for now : the Nasamax.
Henri Pescarolo said that it was too expensive to develop a new car... we may still have a significant field of old "LMP900" next year... |
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13 May 2004, 06:15 (Ref:969468)
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that's true fab, but after this year the cars will not be eligible so these guys better start figuring something out this off-season or they are going to have to race in gts or something like that in 2006
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13 May 2004, 07:20 (Ref:969496)
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13 May 2004, 08:25 (Ref:969545)
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ACO wil have to do what ALMS did this year : postpone / cope with... |
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13 May 2004, 09:20 (Ref:969592)
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Lammers has said that 2004 was the last year for RFH with the current Dome and that he will continue with driving Dome's.
This suggest that Dome will built a new car which should probably be a LMP1?! |
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13 May 2004, 10:58 (Ref:969669)
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The Creation car is the only DBA wich was build.It is quite similar to the Zytek but Creation has its own development programme in place.
So in terms of Aero and Suspension they do their own thing.Additionally they have different electrical systems and rely on Megaline for the paddle shift ,wich is the same system as Audi has. Zytek has developed their own shift system for the box. I think the Transmission itself is the same but was something of a weak ness of the car in recent years.If this was just a maintainance issue or a design flaw is up to speculation,the Creation car was retired in monza with transmission failure ,but that may have been a result of the suspension issues they suffered before. Zyteks works engine is said to be more powerfull and the Zytek car is a bit lighter as well. Zytek uses Michelin tyres ,Creation is on Dunlop. I really hope Zytek can prove the concept right in LeMans and maybe in LMES and sell some of these cars ... I´d really like to see two of those in Creation blue for next year... and in LeMans ,of course. Last edited by marcush.; 13 May 2004 at 11:03. |
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14 May 2004, 04:39 (Ref:970503)
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I have had e-mails from most of the front running LMES LMP1 teams and they all state they will look at building a Hybrid, or buy a new car for 2005. NASAMAX have shown the potential performance of these new cars, and have manged to build a LMP1 car on a comparitively low budget.
BTW, current cars can race in 2005 but with further restrictions. If NASAMX and Lister can afford to produce new cars, I'm sure most other front running teams can also. Also lets not forget that the LMES is becoming a very attractive series for manufactuers and teams, and we should see new investment in the series in 2005. Last edited by JAG; 14 May 2004 at 04:42. |
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14 May 2004, 13:30 (Ref:970918)
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As a guy who has been quite critical of Nasamax over the past 16 months, I must say that their effort last weekend was superb!!!!
I was quite impressed with the entire effort....the Judd GV5 makes a world of difference in that car... and I wish them the very best as LM approaches and the LMES season unfolds.... |
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14 May 2004, 13:31 (Ref:970921)
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BTW....
I'll take that "Crow" cooked medium-rare, with a bottle of vinegar to wash it down..... 
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14 May 2004, 18:33 (Ref:971143)
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Monza spectators
I was told at the Monza race that there were 3000 spectators, official figure, which is usually inflated by the circuits. The weather had been unsettled with occasional heavy rain, which did not help ... the race TV coverage looked very good.
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Is that "Three-Thousand?" or was a zero left out of it? and it should have read "30,000???" 3,000 people????? To see the Opening Race of the new European Sportscar Series? With a field like they had there for that event??? Rain or no rain, you've got to be kidding me!!!!!! Yeah, I know that the Spanish GP in F-1 was on at the same time....but it's not like the entire planet didn't know who was going to win the F-1 race at Barcelona... How many fans did the FIA-SCC draw at Monza last summer?? They only had 15 0r 16 cars there for that one...this field was triple the size with the Audis, etc... If that figure is correct that is pathetic.... Local dirt car tracks with amateur teams racing on the grids draw crowds like that here in the States... If the crowd numbers don't go up at Monza in future years, I hope the ACO pulls the event from them and gives the opener to a city or a country that will give the LMES the support it deserves!!!! The Italian racing fans should be ashamed of themselves.....other places would have LOVED to have hosted that Season-Opening event... |
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14 May 2004, 19:34 (Ref:971206)
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Tim you need to understand that Italian fans watch nothing but F1 and Rallying.
In the Group C years, the crowds were tiny in the early years, and only grew by staging the race at Monza year after year, and building the support through word of mouth. I would expect Silverstone and Nurburgring to be big success' and to attract 20,000+ and Spa anything upto 40-50,000+ Last edited by JAG; 14 May 2004 at 19:37. |
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14 May 2004, 19:36 (Ref:971208)
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Yes I am sorry that was three thousand spectators. The grandstands were very empty - I think everyone was in the paddock at one time! And certainly in the pitlane!
We did not see a single poster, flyer or TV ad for the race all week, although I was assured by the LMES that there had been a lot of promotion, including handing out promos to people leaving football games, posters in all the big cities ... I have to add that one of our guests was trying to find the circuit, and he could actually hear the cars practising, yet when he stopped to ask the way, 2 Italian people did not know where the 'autodromo' was. The circuit is a well kept secret. Perhaps thirty thousand tried to find it and only 10% did! We got lost nearly every day on the way to the hotel from the circuit. 
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