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Old 1 May 2012, 23:14 (Ref:3068131)   #126
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Pau isn't on the F3 Euro Series calendar... their next round is Brands Hatch. But both Pau (BF3 round) and Brands (F3ES) count for the new FIA European F3 Championship.

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Okay, thanks. I wasn't totally sure, which is why I put 'I think'.

To be honest, I think the messing around between the three will confuse everyone and is not the way forward, but maybe, properly done for next year, it's the only way forward.
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Old 2 May 2012, 00:00 (Ref:3068144)   #127
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I agree, it does almost seem to add to the problem - now there are three titles to fight for between the 'premier' F3 series where previously there were two.
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Old 2 May 2012, 07:25 (Ref:3068187)   #128
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I agree, it does almost seem to add to the problem - now there are three titles to fight for between the 'premier' F3 series where previously there were two.
Actually there seems to be four if you include the British one which has european rounds and lots of foreign drivers?
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Old 2 May 2012, 08:04 (Ref:3068198)   #129
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Actually there seems to be four if you include the British one which has european rounds and lots of foreign drivers?
I think he means the British, European and Euroseries, seeing F3 Open as a notch below, and then also the German and Italian series which run for older cars.
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Old 2 May 2012, 12:06 (Ref:3068263)   #130
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I think he means the British, European and Euroseries, seeing F3 Open as a notch below, and then also the German and Italian series which run for older cars.
Yeah, that's what I meant

I think most would regard the 'premier' F3 series as British F3 and the F3 Euro Series, and now we have the FIA championship to be awarded on top of those. With GP3 as well, and usually a couple of reasonable drivers doing "F2" (still uncomfortable calling it that!), it's harder than ever to gauge which drivers are the best at this level.

Not a criticism, but EF3O, German F3 Cup, Italian F3 are obviously not at those series' level for strength/depth of talent.
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it does almost seem to add to the problem - now there are three titles to fight for between the 'premier' F3 series where previously there were two.
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it's harder than ever to gauge which drivers are the best at this level.
It's easy: see how drivers perform in combined races.

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EF3O, German F3 Cup, Italian F3 are obviously not at those series' level for strength/depth of talent.
They are very important to develop local talent. If I were a GT team owner, I'd pick a F3 graduate over a Clio Cup driver.
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Old 2 May 2012, 14:58 (Ref:3068332)   #132
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Not a criticism, but EF3O, German F3 Cup, Italian F3 are obviously not at those series' level for strength/depth of talent.
Possbly not German and Italian, but the F3 Open easily has as good a driver quality as British and Euroseries this term and with bigger gridss
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They are very important to develop local talent. If I were a GT team owner, I'd pick a F3 graduate over a Clio Cup driver.
Actually, with the way motorsport currently works you'd choose the driver who could provide you with the necessary budget . However, I agree with your sentiment. And also, it is likely that most F3 drivers have significantly better access to required budgets than, say, a Clio Cup driver anyway.
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Possbly not German and Italian, but the F3 Open easily has as good a driver quality as British and Euroseries this term and with bigger gridss
Didn't mean to start that debate again! I certainly agree about the grid sizes. But as good driver quality? Seriously? Gianmarco Raimondo was a backmarker in F3ES, now he's 2nd in the points in EF3O... I think that says a lot.
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Old 29 May 2012, 05:55 (Ref:3080944)   #135
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He may have the best package & has clicked with his team or matured & could be having the best season of his career - dunno!

Sam Dejonghe & Gianmarco Riamondo win at the Nurburgring...

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Old 15 Jul 2012, 21:33 (Ref:3106815)   #136
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Mans Grenhagen & Gianmarco Riamondo win at Brands Hatch...

STANDINGS (after 8 of 16)

Gianmarco Raimondo - 155
Mans Grenhagen - 140
Niccolo Schiro - 112
Sam Dejonghe - 95
Facu Regalia - 68
Juan C Sistos - 63
Kevin Giovesi - 50
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Old 23 Jul 2012, 08:13 (Ref:3110170)   #137
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Old 13 Sep 2012, 05:41 (Ref:3135169)   #138
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2 horse race for the championship now between Gianmarco Raimondo & Niccolo Schiro...

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Niccolo Schiro - 247
Mans Grenhagen - 184
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Wow, I don't think I've seen a championship finale any weirder than that...


Rain falling down right after the green lights, when everyone is on slicks. Schiro and Raimondo are side-by-side at T1, Schiro gets in front. Then big melee at T3, in which Raimondo picks up suspension damage. Then Schiro runs wide a few seconds later in sector 2. Schiro and Raimondo re-join at the pack of the pack, but after a Safety car and a few laps of racing, they climb up to 4th and 6th respectively.

Then at 2 minutes to go, Raimondo dives into the pits for no apparent reason. He stops a few seconds at his box, and after a quick inspection on the front right corner, the team orders him to go back out.

Raimondo then has to stop in the middle of the track, at the very last corner of the last lap. Unbelievably, Schiro hits him, then limps to the line on 3 wheels, to take 4th position...

Big confusion on who is the champion afterwards, because of the dropped scores. Schiro's family and the graphics team think Schiro is the champion.

You can't make that stuff up can you...


Facu Regalia won the last 2 races for Campos, by the way.
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Old 4 Nov 2012, 13:17 (Ref:3162278)   #142
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Schiro should be disqualified for hitting Raimondo's stationary car under yellow flags.
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Old 4 Nov 2012, 18:46 (Ref:3162517)   #143
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Good effort for Jones P2 and fastest lap on his series debut. Raimondo should be banned forever.
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Good effort for Jones P2 and fastest lap on his series debut. Raimondo should be banned forever.
Jones and Riberas were the two pleasant surprises of the meeting. Podiums in a one-off appearance is always a nice achievement.

What happened to Raimondo anyway, why did he stop in the middle of the track...? I don't get it.
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Well done Facu winning last 2 races!
And 3 out of the last 5 races of the championship. Good finish for a season that started very complicated for him.
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Old 12 Nov 2012, 11:53 (Ref:3165457)   #146
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Schiro should be disqualified for hitting Raimondo's stationary car under yellow flags.
What?
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Do we know why Raimondo pitted with 2 mins to go? Seems like a bizzare decision.
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