IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017

[carbon_titanium]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Spec constructors

Oreca
Onroak
Dallara
Riley-Multimatic

Of whom Oak does not have US base (looks like) so I guess it's primarly just three chassis you're gonna see under those fake Corvette bodies.

very likely oreca and onroak will be mainly involved in WEC and ELMS; while most of the next DP-whatelse specs will be made using riley and dallara chassis.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by wdave0

But there'll be lots of variety with the F150, Juke, and new beetle body kits.

The mental image of an f150 passing a beetle through turn 10 at road Atlanta just made my day!

[Pandamasque]

Why didn't IMSA just partner with whoever is running the French Mitjet series?

[Deleted]

If by 2020 the series is alive, and you look at the 'Prototype' entry list for Sebring 12 hours consisting of

'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Action Express
'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Action Express
'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Michael Shank Racing
'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Visit Florida.com Racing
'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Visit Florida.com Racing
'Chevrolet Corvette P2' - Wayne Taylor Racing
'Ford Mustang P2' - Racers Edge
'Mini JCW P2' - RSR Racing

Nobody will have no idea what chassis are hidden there under the cover up parts since
A) as with DPs it's impossible to tell with naked eyes (I would think)
B) Entry lists only list them as above
C) PR usually doesn't bother saying anything but the OEM and engine title
D) History of last few years tells us that the likelihood of these people wanting to show up at Le Mans or anywhere else is close to zero (except maybe with MSR, maybe)), so even that is kinda iffy...

So they could all be Rileys, or Dallaras, or each 'Corvette' could have different chassis under them, but you wouldn't notice*. Even from the results because they'd be bopped in the wind tunnel.

(* wanted to insert "but your brain did* here, but wouldn't make sense )

[Pandamasque]

Originally Posted by Chiana

'Mini JCW P2' - RSR Racing

Mini Clubvan P2

[seanyb505]

Originally Posted by Chiana

C) PR usually doesn't bother saying anything but the OEM and engine title

American Manufacturers have discovered they can pay to transfer someone's wins into marketing, instead of having to pay to actually design the vehicle that won. Can't fault them, just the people that believe it.

That Impala is no more and Impala then it is a Home Depot Pepsi 3M Tape Dispenser from Staples.

[August]

Naming the IMSA protos by the engine manufacturer isn't really a problem for me. Yeah, Corvette DP is no real Corvette but it's advertising. Neither is Patron ESM a bottle of tequila but a racing team despite having a tequila brand in it's name.

If renaming the cars by the engine manufacturer keeps car manufacturers spending money on the series, it's fine. Dallara or Riley don't need the big crowd knowing they built the car, the ones who need to know who built the car know it also when it's named by a road car brand.

[FLGTFAN]

If they can get 2 competitive cars from each of 3 makes (Chevy, Mazda, Bentley?), then it's already better than now.

[Deleted]

Originally Posted by August

Naming the IMSA protos by the engine manufacturer isn't really a problem for me. Yeah, Corvette DP is no real Corvette but it's advertising. Neither is Patron ESM a bottle of tequila but a racing team despite having a tequila brand in it's name.

If renaming the cars by the engine manufacturer keeps car manufacturers spending money on the series, it's fine. Dallara or Riley don't need the big crowd knowing they built the car, the ones who need to know who built the car know it also when it's named by a road car brand.

I suppose it doesn't really annoy in the immediate aftermath, but when you look at some of the results - particularly those events that really do matter - afterwards the fake titles just make it look bit of a FARCE
http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=823

[nasportscar]

Now that the regs are out and chassis selected, Paolo gives his thoughts (long) http://nasportscar.com/the-problem-w...tarts-to-roll/

[Coach Ep]

Originally Posted by Pandamasque

Why didn't IMSA just partner with whoever is running the French Mitjet series?

warning:

Jean-Philip Dayraut. And they're a hoot to watch!

Cars are similar to 'Legend' cars which can be seen all over the US (on dirt and tarmac) and in many places in Europe too.

IMSA should have a support race or two with these little crowd pleasers!

[Deleted]

Those old things are like the only cars on Finnish tracks that don't have single digit entry figures

[CyberMotor]

Originally Posted by nasportscar

Now that the regs are out and chassis selected, Paolo gives his thoughts (long) http://nasportscar.com/the-problem-w...tarts-to-roll/

Just missing one big element... relevancy to the real world and improved efficiencies.

Why not decrease the fuel allowances by 30% and see what kind of innovative solutions the teams design?

Let's get real here. It's the 21st Century FGS.

[HORNDAWG]

Originally Posted by CyberMotor

Just missing one big element... relevancy to the real world and improved efficiencies.

Why not decrease the fuel allowances by 30% and see what kind of innovative solutions the teams design?

Let's get real here. It's the 21st Century FGS.

Yes, FGS, lets get real here. When did IMSA announce that the P class would take on the precepts of P-1?





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[Matt]

legends cars are awesome

[MagVanisher]

Originally Posted by Matt

legends cars are awesome

Sure that those cars are awesome but they're not safe to race in Le Mans.

Back on topic though as while 2017's prototype regulations are already set in story, I wish that the P2-based cars competing in IMSA can be converted back in LMP1 since they have the same chassis specifications (unless ACO blocked that move).

If those Corvette DP teams like Wayne Taylor Racing and Action Express Racing got invited to race in Le Mans (which is impossible for them), I think they should compete in the LMP1-L class as privateers with minimal modifications, like increasing horsepower and downforce in order to stay competitive against Rebellion and Strakka. C'mon, why settle competing in LMP2 where they could move up to LMP1!

[Speed-King]

John Dagys ‏@johndagys 6h6 hours ago
There's been a further twist to the future of the prototype ranks in #TUSC. Read about it on @Sportscar365 tomorrow morning.

[lms]

Originally Posted by MagVanisher

Sure that those cars are awesome but they're not safe to race in Le Mans.

Back on topic though as while 2017's prototype regulations are already set in story, I wish that the P2-based cars competing in IMSA can be converted back in LMP1 since they have the same chassis specifications (unless ACO blocked that move).

If those Corvette DP teams like Wayne Taylor Racing and Action Express Racing got invited to race in Le Mans (which is impossible for them), I think they should compete in the LMP1-L class as privateers with minimal modifications, like increasing horsepower and downforce in order to stay competitive against Rebellion and Strakka. C'mon, why settle competing in LMP2 where they could move up to LMP1!

They would go to le mans only if the aco would let them use their crappy "OEM bodywork". Oh and they should be racing for overall wins of course!! yeah right. Cheap ****ers should stay in their fantastic grand-am world and race on ovals.

[Speed-King]

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/tusc/or...voice-support/

Might be we'll see PC for a bit longer.
Not sure I am sold on the idea of keeping the open-tops with everyone else switching to Coupes. I wonder if one could build a P3-style Coupe out of the PC-tub with a steel cockpit structure rather than a full carbon one.

[Rodger Davies]

Am I the only one starting to really detest Oreca and their anti-competition policies?

[joeb]

Well that was unexpected news this morning. Although after reading I do remember this being proposed previously. I would sure like to see what the proposed bodywork looks like.

[J Jay]

Better the devil you know, it would seem...

[Salamus]

Originally Posted by Rodger Davies

Am I the only one starting to really detest Oreca and their anti-competition policies?

No. I am really starting to detest the PC teams and the entire class in general.

We've seen the same teams using the same cars year after year. None of them have moved up to the P class. There really is no purpose for this class now. I hope it gets scrapped in 2017.

I don't want to see P3 either (I prefer a single prototype class) but I would rather have that than PC.

[Deleted]

When selecting a new format for Challenge type of classes, or any spec series (like ICS in the past!) NO ONE should actually listen what the existing teams want or desire. Just ignore them, don't even ask. Because from their perspective there is really nothing to gain from purchasing new slicker, modern and non-spec machinery, when then the alternative is just to continue with the "proven" 10 year old warshorse that no-one but 10 people care about. Going with the old recipe costs them nothing, or very very very very very little. And they've grown so accumusted to it when they've been allowed to run with it for so long.

So if you ever want actual evolution in your racing series actually done, this is one of those rare cases where I actually would like to see the organizing body shouting to the teams "LOOK THIS IS WHAT WE DO AND IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T COME BYE". Because by listening to them nothing ever gets done. In 90% of the other cases this approach would be (and has been) arrogant, but it would work better here.

Also don't answer when Hughes de Chaunac calls you.

[HORNDAWG]

Oreca 03 the new PC.











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