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26 Feb 2010, 13:34 (Ref:2640916) | #1 | ||
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FIA / F1 Safety Car regs 2010
[This probably has a place in the F1, V8, FF and Trackside forums aswell!]
Claire Williams from Williams F1 just put out on Twitter: Quote:
Is it just me, or should F1 (and series below it) just forsake technology for the hell of it and go back to a decent system where drivers actually get punished - points deductions, maybe - for acting like blind uncaring eejits? Loathe as I am to think this, the prospect of the US-style full course yellow for everything has to be preferable to having drivers staring at instruments. |
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Is this in addition to the "flag" lights on the dashboard? I don't like the sounds of those and the sound of a driver paying more attention to his dashboard to set a time is even more worrying!
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Didn't they have something like this last year, relating to pitting as the safety car came out. I think once the boards and lights showed safety car, they where penalised if they took quicker than a given time to reach the pits.
I think it was to remove the risk of drivers running out of fuel when the pit lane was closed while the queue built up around behind the safety car. |
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26 Feb 2010, 20:11 (Ref:2641119) | #4 | |
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well if the drivers don't like the safty car coming out they can always
just do this:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYO4yPmf5AI |
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See similar discussion in Aussie forum. Driver's need to learn SC means slow down straight away, there's probably a good reason.
Actually, they just need to learn we don't just wave the yellow because it smelled a bit musty, if you obey it, we won't need the Safety Car. |
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27 Feb 2010, 13:50 (Ref:2641503) | #7 | ||
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US full course yellow still gives the drivers the oportunity to drive at speed if not in the crocodile. I prefer the Dutch "Code 60" flag, which is self policing using the timing computer and ensures everyone is at 60kph within one sector of the flag being displayed.
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worked very well at Dubai 24-hr race, especially pre-dawn when sweeper was required to assist clearing track after Porsche oil spill and consequent BBQ.
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27 Feb 2010, 16:53 (Ref:2641582) | #9 | |
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very simple answer to this..................
during their test days (which all major championships have), put the drivers on the track alongside a parked car, with waved yellows, and let us marshals drive at them in our road cars. We're neither fast enough to scare them or good enough to avoid them so....... sounds like a true wake-up call for all these so-called experts as to just how frightening it can be to be "out-there" helping them. |
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27 Feb 2010, 18:24 (Ref:2641618) | #12 | ||
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Hmmm - and if the reason for the safety car deployment had been a broken car at that point in the circuit???????
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Although I see your point; in the case of the incident at Pau I seem to remember that the safety car left the pits and immediately joined the racing line without any signficant acceleration. As such this differed from the normal practice of the safety car staying to the side of the track until sufficent momentum has gained and it can join the racing line in the most visible manner. Of course the debate over what speeds racing cars should be circulating at under yellow flags remains.
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I read her message to mean that they were testing to see how the cars behave under safety car conditions, not that drivers would have to clock watch in races.
This is obviously something that would need to be coordinated between teams at testing days, otherwise there would be chaos if one driver was doing SC speeds with others at full speed. Hence them doing it all at the same time. Seeing as test sessions are red flagged for even the tiniest thing, I don't see it as dangerous as marshals will never be on a live track. |
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i like the Dutch 60 rule, just waiting for the powers that be to see that too. I won't hold my breath tho... |
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TBH, I'm not really bothered about what he would be expecting around the corner, obeying the flags fully would have meant he was in a position to react to the unexpected. Started to slow suggests not much had changed - just how far round the lap was he intending to go before slowing down sufficiently? We've moved to SC because drivers didn't observe the yellows, and we're constantly tweaking the SC rules because they don't behave properly even then. I'd venture to suggest the rules are not the problem, enforcement is. Remember Trulli received no penalty for going off track behind the SC in Melbourne while Hamilton was crucified for being economical with the truth to the Stewards. That tells you how much the FIA values their self-importance over the safety of the marshals, and indicates just how likely they are to actually understand the problem they're supposed to be solving. |
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