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Old 7 Jul 2002, 20:34 (Ref:328869)   #1
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Are Sportscar Drivers better than F1 Drivers ?

This might have been covered before, but having just seen the Mid Ohio ALM on Eurosport, I do wonder.

Sportscar drivers have to content with huge speed differances, the top Audi's almost at F1 speeds coming up on a 911. Or a 911 driver allowing enough space for an Audi, Bentley or Panoz to pass. Sports drivers also endure about twice the race lenth of the F1 lads.

I can only think of 1 driver who combined the two with success, J Ickx, others like Brundle, G Hill have either been good at one or the other. Looks like Irvine maybe out of F1, seem to recall he was quite handy in the Toyota at Le Mans.

What do you all think ?

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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:05 (Ref:328894)   #2
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No. If we're looking at the average driver skill throughout an ALMS field, and an F1 field... No, not in a million years. There are some future F1 drivers _in_ sports cars, and some that should have made it, and some who did make it and couldn't stay.... But by and large, we're seeing the 2nd tier of the world's road racers.

Of course, there's always the question of open-wheel drivers vs. GT drivers... And most drivers will certainly do better in one than the other, so you really can't make a fair comparison between the world's greatest single seat driver vs. the world's greatest GT/Touring Car driver.
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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:18 (Ref:328923)   #3
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I tend-to-agree that F1 drivers are probably better than ALMS drivers. However, a good driver is a good driver regardless what series he/she is driving in.

There ia ONE driver that excelled in 4 different series and would win in ANY SERIES that he raced. He won the Daytona 500 (Nascar), the Indianapolis 500, the F1 championship, and the CART Series title. Any guesses?
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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:19 (Ref:328926)   #4
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Would it be the same guy that just can't seem to win at le Mans?

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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:23 (Ref:328928)   #5
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What I am try to get to is why the best F1 lads and the best Sports lads do not seem to switch over as much. A good example is McNish who seems to find it hard in F1. The Sports Toyota must be almost as fast as the F1 car.
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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:27 (Ref:328935)   #6
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Ok we have between 2 and 5 drivers that can switch in fairly recent times

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Brundle ?
McNish

So ?
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Old 7 Jul 2002, 21:29 (Ref:328939)   #7
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Perhaps I should add

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Any others ?
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Old 7 Jul 2002, 23:10 (Ref:329021)   #8
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the best of f1 are probably better than the best in sportscars...but then what about the likes of mcrae or makkinen. its the entertainment, diversity etc that draws me to sportscars...not the "best".
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Old 8 Jul 2002, 00:11 (Ref:329054)   #9
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you're missing a driver.......................................JOHNNY HERBERT!
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Old 8 Jul 2002, 00:58 (Ref:329073)   #10
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Lehto
Magnussen
Brabham
Lammers

never got the proper breaks in F1, likewise

Beretta
Gavin
Baldi
Merzario

and they don't seem to lack driving skill...

but the F1 guys are something else.
But I like the mixture in sportscar/gts, ex-, pre-F1 drivers, amateurs etc.
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Vincenzo Sospiri
Jean Denis Deletraz
Mimmo Schiaterella
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Ralf and Micheal Schumacher
Bernd Schneider
Ukyo Katayama
Mark Blundell
Jo Winkelhock
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All have done a certain ammount of F1 and sportscars

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Old 8 Jul 2002, 01:41 (Ref:329077)   #12
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Paul....the guy that cant win at Lemans is the "DRIVER of the CENTURY". No driver wins all of the races. Undoubtedly, the F1 drivers are good, although possibly a little overated. I, however, will take the sports car series any day for excitement and pure fun over F1.
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Old 8 Jul 2002, 05:12 (Ref:329102)   #13
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Anyone who runs into a parked car that had been sitting there for a couple of laps, and has the nerve to blame it on the saftey crew is not the Driver of the Century. Sorry.

I think F1 drivers are very good. As are the top Sportscar drivers. I think that the top rate drivers in both series are as talented as the drivers in the opossing series.
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sl...the majority of f1 drivers are so far up their own that they see no farther than the f1 paddock.

thank heavens for the likes of nishy and webber
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Of course, until the early 70s, F1 drivers were sportscar drivers and vice-versa. Also F1 has always had a mixture of the best drivers, (about half the grid) and the not-so-good, (the other half, ie. pay drivers). And who would argue that people like Jacky Ickx and Derek Bell were not some of the best drivers of their generation.

The fact that in recent times there have been few successful in both fields is symptomatic of the unfortunate specialisation in motorsport since the 70s. Successful drivers in one area of motorsport are rarely so in others, just think of several CART to F1 and F1 to saloons failures. Those who are successful in two or more areas of motorsport are a rare breed these days and are IMHO the best drivers of all. Certainly the only ones I would compare with drivers like Fangio, Moss, Clark who could and would compete and win in everything.
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