Sportscar/GT (and Le Mans) Rumours and Repetition - Page 12

arakis · 2 Jul 2011, 10:51 (Ref:2913845)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

In addition..The fact that Porsche, a much smalller company than Toyota feels that the economic climate is good enough just supports the fact that Toyota(with loads more money than Porsche) is ready to come back as well.

porsche is not a independant manufacturer, it is part of VW and they have all the cash they need.

Audi Racer · 2 Jul 2011, 11:51 (Ref:2913869)

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Originally Posted by arakis

porsche is not a independant manufacturer, it is part of VW and they have all the cash they need.

But i don;t think that VW is footing any of the bill....they don't foot the bill at Audi either. I thought thats why Audi didnt run in the Alms. Audi NA and Audi Eu didnt want to pay for i so they just scrapped the program. That would tell me that VW isn't picking up bills....

So i wouldnt expect them to do that at Porsche either. I may have said Porsche is a "small" company but not in terms of profit. Porsche has the money to do it.

arakis · 2 Jul 2011, 11:57 (Ref:2913872)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

But i don;t think that VW is footing any of the bill....they don't foot the bill at Audi either. I thought thats why Audi didnt run in the Alms. Audi NA and Audi Eu didnt want to pay for i so they just scrapped the program. That would tell me that VW isn't picking up bills....

So i wouldnt expect them to do that at Porsche either. I may have said Porsche is a "small" company but not in terms of profit. Porsche has the money to do it.

actually i think they are still very much in debt

Audi Racer · 2 Jul 2011, 11:59 (Ref:2913875)

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Originally Posted by arakis

actually i think they are still very much in debt

Soo...your saying Volkswagen is paying?

carsten66 · 2 Jul 2011, 15:13 (Ref:2913938)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

But i don;t think that VW is footing any of the bill....they don't foot the bill at Audi either. I thought thats why Audi didnt run in the Alms. Audi NA and Audi Eu didnt want to pay for i so they just scrapped the program. That would tell me that VW isn't picking up bills....

So i wouldnt expect them to do that at Porsche either. I may have said Porsche is a "small" company but not in terms of profit. Porsche has the money to do it.

People often confuse the issue... also Volkswagen is part of the Volkswagen Group... The Group is made up of nine brands from seven European countries: Volkswagen, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Volkswagen Commercial Vehicles, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini and Scania. Each brand has its own character and operates as an independent entity on the market...

And don't forget the man who still pulls the strings: Ferdinand K. Piëch... the chairman of the supervisory board of the Volkswagen Group - and race fan... he was the head leading Porsche and Audi to the success.

I also don't think the Group will pay all the bills but maybe Porsche will get support and financial backing.

AGD · 3 Jul 2011, 01:50 (Ref:2914147)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Yeah I doubt that. No car company is afraid of a challenge. Everything is beatable! I'd think Toyota is readying a challenge, and is just taking it's time getting things right. I really hope so. And I hope Nissan's P1 ambitions are serious.

I think the thing that is intriguing for Toyota from a marketing standpoint is that they (at least in the US) are viewed as being the undisputed king of hybrids. Hybrids will be the future of Le Mans, Peugeot and Audi may go to them as soon as next year and it seems likely that the Porsche LMP will be hybrid as well. I think Toyota does not want there to be a perception that someone does hybrids better than they do. I'm sure they are looking forward to the challenge of competing at Le Mans, but everything has to be justified financially and I'm sure the beancounters have their scales out and are weighing the pros and cons.

From a technical point of view, there are different ways to do hybrids. Might there be a form of hybrid technology that someone like Toyota would prefer to run that is significantly different from what Porsche, Peugeot, and Audi would prefer to run? If so, which form is advantageous at Le Mans and WEC tracks? Could this cause any issue where there would be rule balancing and the controversy that subsequently follows balancing?

Spyderman · 3 Jul 2011, 07:08 (Ref:2914177)

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Originally Posted by carsten66

And don't forget the man who still pulls the strings: Ferdinand K. Piëch... the chairman of the supervisory board of the Volkswagen Group - and race fan... he was the head leading Porsche and Audi to the success.

...and also a member of the Porsche family.

Mal · 3 Jul 2011, 07:34 (Ref:2914179)

The Pug hybrid is a diesel hybrid whereas Porsche & Toyota will be Petrol I would think.

CTD · 3 Jul 2011, 07:41 (Ref:2914181)

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Originally Posted by Mal

The Pug hybrid is a diesel hybrid whereas Porsche & Toyota will be Petrol I would think.

It has been mentioned that Peugeot would do petrol again.

TF110 · 3 Jul 2011, 18:27 (Ref:2917556)

I figure Toyota does the hybrid thing, but how is another story.

AGD · 3 Jul 2011, 22:29 (Ref:2917662)

I'm not really sure where to put this, but Guess Racing Europ is targeting Silverstone and maybe Road Atlanta and/or Zuhai this year and Le Mans, Road Atlanta, and Zuhai next year. Will any of this actually happen? It's anyone's guess!

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-7604.html

Their expected drivers from Imola did well for JMB's FLM team today so I guess it was not a total loss.

Simmi · 3 Jul 2011, 22:37 (Ref:2917663)

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Originally Posted by AGD

I'm not really sure where to put this, but Guess Racing Europ is targeting Silverstone and maybe Road Atlanta and/or Zuhai this year and Le Mans, Road Atlanta, and Zuhai next year. Will any of this actually happen? It's anyone's guess!

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...ance-7604.html

Their expected drivers from Imola did well for JMB's FLM team today so I guess it was not a total loss.

One of those 'believe it when I see it jobs'. All they have been so far this year is the punchline to a few jokes.

Audi Racer · 10 Jul 2011, 05:40 (Ref:2924408)

Dont know where this should go but i had a dream about a BMW LMP1 prototype(doubt it will ever happen though).....they were really clever with the Kidney grill implementation on the prototype.......Wish i could draw..I dont even know how that car got into my head.

btw.....Will mercedes ever come back to Lemans in LMP1? or will they never want anyone to be reminded of the flips?

AuzGrams · 10 Jul 2011, 05:45 (Ref:2924409)

Probably REALLY early to ask this, but any updates/news on the 2012 ALMS schedule?

alexkiller8 · 10 Jul 2011, 07:57 (Ref:2924422)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Dont know where this should go but i had a dream about a BMW LMP1 prototype(doubt it will ever happen though).....they were really clever with the Kidney grill implementation on the prototype.......Wish i could draw..I dont even know how that car got into my head.

btw.....Will mercedes ever come back to Lemans in LMP1? or will they never want anyone to be reminded of the flips?

mmm i doubt it, now that is involved in f1 is 100% sure that won't take part in lmp1 in the imminent future. I doubt also that mercedes will enter in the competition as supplier of his DTM/formula3 engines

Victor_RO · 10 Jul 2011, 10:24 (Ref:2924469)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

Dont know where this should go but i had a dream about a BMW LMP1 prototype(doubt it will ever happen though).....they were really clever with the Kidney grill implementation on the prototype.......Wish i could draw..I dont even know how that car got into my head.

You were thinking of the old V12 LMR most likely. :P

Fogelhund · 10 Jul 2011, 13:15 (Ref:2924506)

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Originally Posted by AuzGrams

Probably REALLY early to ask this, but any updates/news on the 2012 ALMS schedule?

No.

Audi Racer · 10 Jul 2011, 20:11 (Ref:2924730)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

You were thinking of the old V12 LMR most likely. :P

lol dont think so..It wasn't ugly..and it was a coupe

JAG · 10 Jul 2011, 20:20 (Ref:2924737)

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Originally Posted by Audi Racer

lol dont think so..It wasn't ugly..and it was a coupe

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_Nazca_C2

ujoint · 11 Jul 2011, 01:58 (Ref:2924866)

Heard that rumor from Roger Penske himself on Wind Tunnel, USA Speed Channel tonite July 10th, 2011 @0945pm.

FordCosworthPanoz · 11 Jul 2011, 02:03 (Ref:2924867)

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Originally Posted by ujoint

Heard that rumor from Roger Penske himself on Wind Tunnel, USA Speed Channel tonite July 10th, 2011 @0945pm.

Yes, very interesting interview, would have thought Penske had no involvement in this at all.

J.C. · 11 Jul 2011, 02:11 (Ref:2924868)

I also herd the interview as well. Penske back with Porsche, in the LMP1 class?... ALMS... could happen... Le Mans... you never know.

Audi Racer · 11 Jul 2011, 02:14 (Ref:2924869)

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Originally Posted by J.C.

I also herd the interview as well. Penske back with Porsche, in the LMP1 class?... ALMS... could happen... Le Mans... you never know.

thats what going to happen.....probably.....Porsche seems to want to have something like that of Joest and Audi.......Penske had one of the best realtionships of anybody with Porsche.......What guys do you go to when you want things done right.....Roger Penske and Chip Gannasi...in this case Roger Penske!. Porsche wants to involve Penske.....I would love to see this through..Penske Porsche FTW!!!

rich07 · 11 Jul 2011, 02:48 (Ref:2924874)

So if this indeed is for 2012 what car would they run, the LMP1 wouldnt be ready by then as its aimed for a 2014 debut AFAIK.

Audi Racer · 11 Jul 2011, 03:09 (Ref:2924877)

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Originally Posted by ujoint

Heard that rumor from Roger Penske himself on Wind Tunnel, USA Speed Channel tonite July 10th, 2011 @0945pm.

by rockenfeller... do you mean Mike Rockenfeller?

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