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Hopefully third in the championship will give them a large enough constructors prize to overcome the financial loss and possibly gain more sponsorship.
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and once again A.Rossi misses out on racing, i think he be cursing his luck at this stage
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The fact that two teams have now gone into administration will be putting all teams on edge, and if you were a supplier to those teams seen to be in danger it will change the way you act, credit terms will be much harder for them and some suppliers will be demanding cash up front before supplying anything, especially if they are owed money already
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I've been following F1 for decades and I've seen teams come and go but I don't remember ever seeing two teams fold before the season's out, in rapid sucession.
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As a general note, all this rubbish about road relevance has cost the teams vast sums of money, notwithstanding the rich teams v poor argument, I consider it a facile argument to be demanding a budget cap, when the FIA makes it more expensive to run a car.
Some may suggest that the manufacturers should ask a sum less than the cost of the engines so that it makes the whole thing more "fair". My answer is, stop pandering to road relevance, or the greens and go back to sticking big engines in small cars and make the drivers drive them. I'm sure a decent 4l V8 or V12 is going to cost substantially less than a V6 turbo power unit with all sorts of irrelevant (to racing) gubbins added to it. Then the lesser teams will have more dosh to play with. |
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given that TV numbers have been dwindling pretty much across the board for some time now and given that F1 has yet to recover/replace the loss of tobacco sponsorship is shaving 10-15 mil from the engine budget going to make any difference at all and even it did make a difference wouldn't all the the teams have freed up that same amount to spend on something else? rather wouldnt the status quo just be maintained? just my opinion (well pretty common opinion these days) but F1's problems has more to do with how much the promoter takes, how much the teams get paid and how much the teams are able to generate in sponsorship. currently the promoter takes too much and pays it out unevenly while refusing to rethink a strategy that has failed to promote the growth of TV and live numbers. a shrinking audience following anemic teams will not allow for any growth in the sponsorship market. ideas aimed at having at least 10 marques that all have the ability to be competitive so that they can survive long enough to build up awareness and a strong fan base is whats needed imo. i think if you do that the money will sort itself out if for no other reason then the money is already there to do it with. |
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...istration.html Apologies for dragging this off topic but it is wider than just Marussia. |
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With the extremely dodgy characters being bandied about that are apparently looking to 'save' the team you have really got to wonder what they would achieve if successful in getting hold of it and how long it would last for after that anyway.
In both cases, as I understand it Marussia and Caterham both need to enter cars at Abu Dhabi to keep their registration (and therefore saleable worth) Whether that means they actually have to compete or not, I don't know? |
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Bernie was against the new engines all along....
Was it the cost that he was most concerned about? If the engine bill has gone from 9 million to 20-25million then it is not hard to see why the teams at the bottom of the pile are struggling...and failing... |
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Talking green isn't talking about road relevance but world relevance. All the "road relevance" you want is "our team built this high octane F1 car in high pressure situations; the same calibre of men and women that'll build your car tomorrow."
Going green is virtually inevitable. F1 is too integrated with the commercial world to avoid it. But it's not some mad cure that'll attract a whole new universe of sponsorship that'll restore the sport. In fact, if they make the green angle too pronounced it'll confuse and underwhelm the audience who are looking for fuel guzzling monstrosities that race on the edge and the kind of people who put stress on environmentalism won't engage with the sport whatever you do. But the problem isn't compulsory niceness or everyone-gets-a-prize either. The problem is fundamental and its the standing of the car. It's diminished. A car isn't something to crave for looks anymore - it serves utilitarian purposes. There's no Ford Sierra anymore. Modern cars look like abnormal, chubby slabs on wheels, devoid of charisma. With people disengaging from the idea that the car is something to crave, this has a correspondingly negative, strong impact on the popularity of motorsport. What I would do is strip out all that stupid IT and expensive technological garbage that doesn't do one whit for the quality of the sport and let these guys race. Let cars race not laptops on wheels. They won't do that of course but I'll continue to dream about it anyway. Last edited by Paradise City; 28 Oct 2014 at 19:24. |
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Almost. Sport is about competition, nothing "fair" about it at all. Agreed formula 1 is not very entertaining either.
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