Daytona Prototypes

SurfXTC · 17 Dec 2002, 18:42 (Ref:451980)

Just curious as to what people think of the new daytona prototype series.

Es Nes · 17 Dec 2002, 18:51 (Ref:451984)

must we discus those fugly, primative things?

Fogelhund · 17 Dec 2002, 19:04 (Ref:451992)

I don't think much of how most of them look. Otherwise, I'll choose to see how they go on the track, and if they manage to get significant entries and close competition by the end of the year.

I'll always prefer the ACO style LM cars, but they might be entertaining vehicles these DSP's. Shame what they've done to Daytona 24 though.

pirenzo · 17 Dec 2002, 19:07 (Ref:451993)

Having read the rules, i wasn't in the least bit impressed

I mean they're just fancy tin-tops

It's all too, one make
There are one make uprights, wings, windscreen wipers, road going engine blocks, they are even more primative than tin-tops, possibly more primitive than rally cars.

They're sheep in wolfs clothing (never again will that phrase have more meaning)

They are sad to say, nothing more than fancy looking street racers

E46 · 17 Dec 2002, 19:47 (Ref:452022)

The other day I heard that Daytona prototypes are only two seconds more fast than GTS cars and more slow than Gentilozzi Jaguar (although in 2003 with new rules GTS will be mre slow but...), I would have hoped more of the new prototypes but... I understand now the reason to be cheap (for me are only ugly GTS cars).

cars.

pirenzo · 17 Dec 2002, 19:53 (Ref:452028)

Quote:

(for me are only ugly GTS cars).

I disagree.

They might be crud, but they're not ugly

E46 · 17 Dec 2002, 19:57 (Ref:452032)

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Originally posted by pirenzo

I disagree.

They might be crud, but they're not ugly

It was only my opinion

. Yes, you have reason, they are a bit crude aswell.

Fogelhund · 17 Dec 2002, 20:05 (Ref:452042)

E46 - of course that was on a wet to drying track, and comparing race like pace vs. qualifying pace of a GTS.

The DSP will likely run in the 1:45 to 1:46 range at Daytona, about 4 seconds off the pace of the SR1's.

While I agree the design has left some to be desired, I still find it interesting to see why so many people have jumped to conclusions about something they have never seen race yet. One thing to remember is that people felt much the same way back when WSC's replaced the GTP & Group C cars. Slow crappy looking cars, and look what that evolved into. Give it time folks and then judge.

Also, don't expect much out of the box. Likely the Brumos car(s) will be the class of the field at Daytona, and the only cars who have a real chance of winning.

SurfXTC · 17 Dec 2002, 20:07 (Ref:452043)

I just like the look of them. I agree, they don't compare to the "prototypes" we have become accustomed to (GTP/Group C). I think they might be fun to watch. Plus, I like the look of a coupe over a "open top/roadster).

pirenzo · 17 Dec 2002, 21:16 (Ref:452100)

I just think you can't get away with all those standardised parts

I have however reconsidered the road going engine blocks though, since I was rreading a MOTORSPORT mag in which there was an article about the BMW F1 turbo engine of the early 80's

Apparently, they took a road going block and found it sufficient for what they wanted, and it produced over 1500hp in the end

RacingManiac · 17 Dec 2002, 21:42 (Ref:452128)

IMO, a field of sufficiently different looking car(not just decal) would make for interesting enough race viewing. From the released picture of the new cars, they look like a interesting crop of cars, as long as they are run(pace wise) as top class, it should not be too bad.....I mean no one stare at a lap chart for the whole 24 hours do they?

pirenzo · 17 Dec 2002, 22:06 (Ref:452149)

true, but they are still annoyingly pathetic

cybersdorf · 17 Dec 2002, 22:08 (Ref:452152)

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Originally posted by RacingManiac
I mean no one stare at a lap chart for the whole 24 hours do they?

......no??

Lee Janotta · 17 Dec 2002, 22:23 (Ref:452176)

Slow, ugly, primitive... They just plain suck. Grand-Am's nothing but NASCAR turing right on occaison.

They should have been longer, wider, and had 7.0L pushrod V8s with fat solid-lifter cams and dual 4-barrel carbs on them!

Could have been Can-Am all over again, instead they're just weak.

RacingManiac · 17 Dec 2002, 22:27 (Ref:452183)

IMO, they should at least make it with bigger engine....why stop at 5 liter? All the prominent Made in USA engine are bigger than that other than the Mod motor from Ford.....They should at least make it 6 liter so something like a chevy small block can in it....

RacingManiac · 18 Dec 2002, 04:25 (Ref:452346)

Ok...interesting, LS6 V8 has just been approved for use in Daytona Prototype.....but with displacement hold back to 5.5L.....instead of the stock 5.7L....

racer69 · 18 Dec 2002, 04:42 (Ref:452358)

They are on the right track with closed top prototypes.

Nowhere near enough power though and abit too much of a spec type series i feel.

pirenzo · 18 Dec 2002, 08:08 (Ref:452439)

[B][QUOTE]They should have been longer, wider, and had 7.0L pushrod V8s with fat solid-lifter cams and dual 4-barrel carbs on them!
[QUTOE][B]

Agreed

pirenzo · 18 Dec 2002, 08:09 (Ref:452441)

whoops

cybersdorf · 18 Dec 2002, 14:58 (Ref:452716)

Quote:

Originally posted by RacingManiac
IMO, they should at least make it with bigger engine....why stop at 5 liter?

Smaller than NASCAR.

cybersdorf · 18 Dec 2002, 15:02 (Ref:452717)

Quote:

Originally posted by Lee Janotta
and dual 4-barrel carbs on them!

How about - are you sitting comfortably? - fuel injection??

karbon · 18 Dec 2002, 16:53 (Ref:452763)

the picchio dsp doesn't look too bad. but the fabcar is just
butt-ugly. it's like a lotus elise gt1(the front), a nissan r390 gt1(the flanks), and porsche 911 gt1(the derriere) had a threesome and the fabcar is the unfortunate result.

cybersdorf · 18 Dec 2002, 16:59 (Ref:452765)

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Originally posted by karbon
but the fabcar is just butt-ugly.

The nose resembles a Lister Storm, somehow. The Multimatic takes the Ugly Prize imho.

C_g · 18 Dec 2002, 22:59 (Ref:453012)

I saw that the Picchio had a successful shakedown this week. Good to hear.

Leave it to the Italians to design a good-looking car. The Picchio is the only one i like so far! Should sound the part too with the BMW M5 V8 stuffed in the back.

Speeddemon555 · 19 Dec 2002, 02:46 (Ref:453141)

That is too slow, I wish those Daytona Prototypes get up to 750-800 HP.

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