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11 May 2005, 20:52 (Ref:1298654) | #277 | |
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OK, I give up. Clearly, you all think that the appeals system is totally acceptable and I bow to your superior debating skills. Mosley would be proud of you all. I’m off to start an Appeal Court in Indonesia (but I'll come back for Goodwood to see some real motor racing).
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Of course the descripion on the situation as 'debacle' rather depends on whether you thought it was. If you do then the next thing to consider is who made it a debacle (the FIA, BAR, the press, or us). In addition I see no change of rule here, or interpretation, or even method of measurement. Or, for that matter, a purpose (other than to investigate if a car was illegal). |
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Thank you for implying I almost got something right Adam.
Patently there was a change of procedure. If the "lifted pump" process had been in general use, then the "hoovering out" was a change. Even you must accept that the rules were ill defined, and needed an appeal from the FIA of it's own Stewards to rectify them. It could all have been resolved out of the public domain so easily. That it wasn't, is the subject of this conjecture. |
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I agree that it wasn't ideal that the FIA had to appeal. However the important thing was to assertain the legality of the BAR. Even ignoring possibility of further protests (subject of another thread) then I am sure that BAR would have appealed at a stewards decision that they were illegal.
As for public domain. Which ever way it was resolved - even another clarification beforehand would have kicked up a fuss. There would have been rumours flying around that BAR were cheating! They could have lingered and done as much damage. My main point through all this is that these are secondary considerations. The primary one was to assertain whether the BAR was illegal. If we want to talk politics*, then there is the smoke screen that BAR is putting out about the secondary issues. *or was that another thread |
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No doubt the BAR was illegal, but only after the clarification of dry weight.
Obviously not before, when the Stewards declared them legal. |
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Well they were illegal, the stewards just declared it incorrectly
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I've probably dived into this debate too late, but that's not going to stop me. So here goes.
It is a tenet of Australian common law jurisprudence, and presumably in other civiled countries around the world, that parties to a dispute are entitled to natural justice. This means that the parties are entitled to have their dispute heard and resolved independently and impartially by those empowered to resolve such disputes. Therefore, it is fundamental to the operation of the FIA Court of Appeal that it is not only independent, but seen to be independent. Otherwise, effectively any decision it makes will be subject to scrutiny by a civil court on the grounds that it was made without natural justice being accorded to the parties. The name does not connote that the body itself is not independent nor impartial. It merely associates the body with the particular forum in which disputes might occur. Trying to resolve the dispute out of the public domain would have meant that charges of non-independence and bias would have been levelled against those resolving the dispute, even if these charges were unfounded. Like natural justice is a tenet of jurisprudence, so is public transparency, for the reason that it ensures the public has confidence in the ability of the judicial system to resolve disputes. |
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But most sporting bodies, like soccer, bicycle racing, etc, have their own tribunals and appeal systems, to keep things "within the system" and to avoid messy situations like their right to exist being bought into question.
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If any team considers the FIA's right to exist to be tenuous, they know where the door is.
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