US F1, Campos Grand Prix and Manor F1 - The silence is deafening - Page 2

**Bononi** · 2 Jul 2009, 16:15 (Ref:2495096)

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Originally Posted by Alan Raine

Dallara are building the car for Campos

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76648

Great news !

djinvicta · 2 Jul 2009, 18:20 (Ref:2495151)

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Originally Posted by csirl

How Manor managed to finish ahead of Lola, N-Technology, Prodrive etc. is a mystery.

Nothing to do with N.Wirth and a full sponsorship season from Virgin?????

cmk · 2 Jul 2009, 21:23 (Ref:2495218)

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Originally Posted by djinvicta

Nothing to do with N.Wirth and a full sponsorship season from Virgin?????

And the fact that Lola and probably Prodrive were in bed with FOTA?

nycuk · 3 Jul 2009, 10:15 (Ref:2495392)

Leaked email regarding Virgin investing in a 20% stake in Manor, as reported in The Guardian http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76653

csirl · 3 Jul 2009, 14:10 (Ref:2495499)

Based on its facilities and motorsports history, Manor would not normally look like a organisation ready for the jump to F1. Wirth is ex-March (founded by Mosley - the "M" stands for "Mosley"), and his previous foray into F1 via Simtek was a failure.

The allegation is that Manor Motorsports was used as cover to give a F1 place to certain people and that Manor GP is essentially a puppet organisation for them.

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Nothing to do with N.Wirth and a full sponsorship season from Virgin?????

Wirth's Simtek experience isnt necessarily a positive. Virgin were not on board until after the decision was made.

courageous · 3 Jul 2009, 16:46 (Ref:2495555)

if i recall, the '95 simtek was a pretty neat chassis that was capable of fighting for the top 10 despite having no money -certainly a cut above pacific & forti.
Wirth has been busy in the usa since then with (amongst other things) the le mans prototype acura.

djinvicta · 3 Jul 2009, 18:43 (Ref:2495594)

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Originally Posted by cmk

And the fact that Lola and probably Prodrive were in bed with FOTA?

Good God; That would be a story.........

Lotusonpole · 9 Jul 2009, 11:50 (Ref:2498277)

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Originally Posted by csirl

Wirth's Simtek experience isnt necessarily a positive. Virgin were not on board until after the decision was made.

Apparantly it may have been signed before.

Thanks to KA from the 'what the 3 teams think' thread.

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Originally Posted by KA
Probably this recent Guardian article suggesting that Virgin's deal to sponsor Manor may have happened before Manor's F1 entry was accepted, and that Donnelly seems to be just slightly too involved in Manor's sponsorship affairs....
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009...or-formula-one

It smells a bit and a lot like fish.

Marbot · 10 Jul 2009, 16:42 (Ref:2499050)

Manor seem to be 'getting on with it'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/20...anor-born.html

old man · 10 Jul 2009, 17:41 (Ref:2499075)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Manor seem to be 'getting on with it'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/f1mole/20...anor-born.html

Driver line up sounds to me to be well on the way, experienced #1, plenty of them about, and "joyful enthusiasm of a youngster"...... perhaps with some family money to back the enthusiasm?

Gingers4Justice · 10 Jul 2009, 18:26 (Ref:2499091)

We haven't heard from a team in 48 hours?

I may be only 15, but there must have been a time where you would only here from teams once a week in Autosport before the interweb came out and such like.

As Eddie Jordan has said, these team have left it late - they're going to have many, many sleepless nights. Rather than going out talking to the press, they've just got to crack on with it and let the current teams squabble over it all.

Marbot · 11 Jul 2009, 00:09 (Ref:2499238)

Wirth seems to be very happy about sponsorship!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/moto...ne/8145497.stm

davyboy · 22 Jul 2009, 12:50 (Ref:2506046)

US F1 have announced that they'll be ready to roll this October - see here. I noticed one thing in the statement made by Ken Anderson...

"The Aragon facility is a fantastic facility, the people there are very nice, very helpful. It is a great place for winter testing, and we would like to have our drivers based there, or at Paul Ricard, and run all the time."

Does this mean that there will be no ban on testing in 2010 ?

JeremySmith · 22 Jul 2009, 13:18 (Ref:2506064)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

US F1 have announced that they'll be ready to roll this October - see here. I noticed one thing in the statement made by Ken Anderson...

"The Aragon facility is a fantastic facility, the people there are very nice, very helpful. It is a great place for winter testing, and we would like to have our drivers based there, or at Paul Ricard, and run all the time."

Does this mean that there will be no ban on testing in 2010 ?

I was wondering the very same thing..

Marbot · 22 Jul 2009, 13:33 (Ref:2506075)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I was wondering the very same thing..

Article 22.1 c of the 2009 sporting regulations.

"No track testing may take place between the start of the week preceding the first Event of the Championship and 31 December of the same year."

Also (currently) applies to 2010.

So testing is from Jan 1st to week before first race.

jab · 22 Jul 2009, 13:50 (Ref:2506088)

They're still allowed to do a limited amount of straight line tests and the like

Marbot · 22 Jul 2009, 13:53 (Ref:2506090)

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Originally Posted by jab

They're still allowed to do a limited amount of straight line tests and the like

Yes,that's still in there.Eight days straight line testing during the season.

davyboy · 22 Jul 2009, 15:27 (Ref:2506134)

So 'run all the time' in Ken Anderson's language means circuit testing from 1st January 2010 through the beginning of March I guess.

Marbot · 22 Jul 2009, 15:32 (Ref:2506137)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

So 'run all the time' in Ken Anderson's language means circuit testing from 1st January 2010 through the beginning of March I guess.

Err...yes.He did say "winter" testing didn't he.

kartracer41 · 22 Jul 2009, 15:37 (Ref:2506143)

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Originally Posted by davyboy

So 'run all the time' in Ken Anderson's language means circuit testing from 1st January 2010 through the beginning of March I guess.

Or stick drivers out there on the track all year round in something similar? I've always wondered why teams don't exploit the rules in that way. They could have test mule cars, with similar layouts, to test wings and such.

I wonder what the rules have to say about that.

VIVA GT · 22 Jul 2009, 15:39 (Ref:2506147)

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Originally Posted by kartracer41

Or stick drivers out there on the track all year round in something similar? I've always wondered why teams don't exploit the rules in that way. They could have test mule cars, with similar layouts, to test wings and such.

I wonder what the rules have to say about that.

That's exactly what I thought when the testing ban was introduced, and knowing what a canny load the F1 boys are have always wondered why no-one has done this? (Presumably there's an obvious and simple explanation?)

Marbot · 22 Jul 2009, 16:37 (Ref:2506189)

If your "Mule" looks like an F1 car (and what would be the point if it didn't),and it's your F1 car,then you are 'testing' illegally.

It is also a requirement that all cars that are testing be fitted with the FIA mandatory ECU which no doubt records distance covered (maximum 15,000 km).

jab · 22 Jul 2009, 16:53 (Ref:2506196)

US F1 "close to signing Jacques Villeneuve"

He would be a good signing for them. Everything's looking good for them right now

cmk · 22 Jul 2009, 16:54 (Ref:2506198)

The test mule idea has been floated before - remember the rumours that Peugeot's 908HY LMP1 testbed was really acting as a mule for Ferrari's KERS system in a deal brokered by Jean Todt? I think the powers that be are not foolish enough to let obvious mules slide - F1 teams are pretty high-profile organizations and would have a hard time hiding, too!

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Originally Posted by jab

US F1 "close to signing Jacques Villeneuve"

He would be a good signing for them. Everything's looking good for them right now

I take it that in this parlance, 'good' means 'cripplingly foolish'?

Marbot · 22 Jul 2009, 16:56 (Ref:2506200)

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Originally Posted by jab

Everything's looking good for them right now

I wonder who their number one driver will be ?

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