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Old 8 Dec 2017, 17:05 (Ref:3785878)   #101
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Providing testing is restricted and the cars and tyres are all equal, I don't see any problem with having works teams, though quite what they would be in it for I don't really know.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 17:20 (Ref:3785882)   #102
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True, but I wanted a Lada team in my list. And besides some say RC is an Italian team.
Wait.

The Italian RC Motorsport ran in WSR, F3 Euroseries and Superstars Series. They won 4 Italian F3 championships in the 90s.

The French RC Motorsport is something different. I think it's a "sequel" of Exagon Engineering because Muller family is involved, but I'm not sure.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 17:44 (Ref:3785885)   #103
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Personnally, i think the more manufacturer involvement, the better. And if a true privateer steals the show, even better... Sports are about the narrative, the storys. And david vs goliath is the ultimate underdog story we're secretly all longing for. Thats the main reason DTM sucks so hard... its goliath vs. goliath vs. goliath. Its like watching Real vs. Barca. Every weekend. For the rest of your life.
That's a pretty nice comparison actually
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 19:08 (Ref:3785907)   #104
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Honestly I didn't expect Volvo to engage in TCR as I thought that for Volvo electric cars is the future and they won't be really interested in continuing with touring cars, especially after what they did to Supercars programme in Oz. But this is great that they're going to remain.
Everyone knows Volvo is building a TCR car. They are just too arrogant to admit it.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 19:27 (Ref:3785918)   #105
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Wait.

The Italian RC Motorsport ran in WSR, F3 Euroseries and Superstars Series. They won 4 Italian F3 championships in the 90s.

The French RC Motorsport is something different. I think it's a "sequel" of Exagon Engineering because Muller family is involved, but I'm not sure.
Yeah I know about the Muller involvement, but I went on a little search for more info on the team and couldn't find anything rather than te Italian RC. My mistake.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 22:27 (Ref:3785940)   #106
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The Lada 'TCR' car is not a fully homologated TCR car. It is only approved for national use in Russia, similar to how the Emil Frey Jaguar is a G3 class car not a GT3 homologated car


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Old 8 Dec 2017, 23:08 (Ref:3785945)   #107
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But it doesn't block Frey racing the Jag in Blancpain.
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Old 8 Dec 2017, 23:45 (Ref:3785948)   #108
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But it doesn't block Frey racing the Jag in Blancpain.


Yes but FIA have already said they will only be accepting fully homologated TCR cars
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 10:01 (Ref:3785986)   #109
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Yes but FIA have already said they will only be accepting fully homologated TCR cars
That is true, but AFAIK the Lada will receive TCR homologation for 2018
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 19:56 (Ref:3786045)   #110
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I really look forward to see how fully privateer championship works. I always thought that TCR will not work on international basis, now it is time to find out.

Should be something similar to WTCC 2011-2013, where most cars were private.

Don't wan't to see Class One as the new re-born WTCC. That would put the championship in jeopardy once again, because it will be even more dependent on manufacturers than ever before. A few makes say goodbye and it's championship dead once more. Electric championship is a better option IMO.

Then, why not promote the championship again as "real cars and real racing" with TCR (if it works), as that is really distinctive from what other series offer, even having only privateers.
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Old 9 Dec 2017, 23:41 (Ref:3786080)   #111
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Lada is the same TCR car as Hyundai. Both cars must pass the balance of performance.

RC Motorsport is still more Russian than the French team, despite the registration flag, there is a Russian leader and most mechanics are Russian.
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Old 10 Dec 2017, 17:04 (Ref:3786156)   #112
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According to WTCC website the points for each race will be
R1-27-20-17-14-12-10-8-6-4-2
R2-25-18-15-12-10- 8- 6-4-2-1
R3-30-23-19-16-13-10-7-4-2-1

Why is 7th-10th in Race 1 more points than R2 or R3? Why not R1/R3 the same points or because 2 of 3 races have standard grids just 25 to 1 FIA points system for all races. FIA want to reduce as many WSC ideas as possible. I would guess this will change but it's the FIA and Eurosport, we'll see.
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Old 10 Dec 2017, 17:21 (Ref:3786159)   #113
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Any ideas on what the dates would look like for this?
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Old 10 Dec 2017, 23:06 (Ref:3786197)   #114
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Any ideas on what the dates would look like for this?


Supposed to be similar to this years WTCC calendar
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 09:14 (Ref:3786243)   #115
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I hate the idea of different points for different races, it'll get too hard to follow
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Old 11 Dec 2017, 09:29 (Ref:3786244)   #116
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I hate the idea of different points for different races, it'll get too hard to follow
Agreed. Why needlessly complicate things?
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 08:28 (Ref:3786770)   #117
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TCR becoming a new WTCC is great news for drivers and independent teams. But for those, who are interested in "constructors championship", difficult times came. It's Group 1 racing. And not clean Group 1, but BoPed Group 1. From technical point of view, there's no sense in this type of racing. For those who are interested in on-track show it would be interesting, but does anybody remember which was a points gap at the end of championship in WTCC and TCR? I won't say that the latter was more unpredictable. It was just much slower.
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 15:21 (Ref:3786831)   #118
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TCR becoming a new WTCC is great news for drivers and independent teams. But for those, who are interested in "constructors championship", difficult times came. It's Group 1 racing. And not clean Group 1, but BoPed Group 1. From technical point of view, there's no sense in this type of racing. For those who are interested in on-track show it would be interesting, but does anybody remember which was a points gap at the end of championship in WTCC and TCR? I won't say that the latter was more unpredictable. It was just much slower.
I strongly disagree. The WTCC TC1 were painfully boring. The TCR Int. races were far more exciting. Rewatch Spa this year... or China, or Germany, when Morbidelli made a stellar maneuver for the win on the 3rd to last corner of the last lap. So many memorable moments this year...
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Old 13 Dec 2017, 18:16 (Ref:3786859)   #119
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Michelisz Norbi said in a todays interview that a 2 car team in WTCR requires at least a 550 ezer euro budget, but this is just for participiation.

If they want to be competitive they need at least 800 000 euros.
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 10:13 (Ref:3786981)   #120
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Michelisz Norbi said in a todays interview that a 2 car team in WTCR requires at least a 550 ezer euro budget, but this is just for participiation.

If they want to be competitive they need at least 800 000 euros.
How does that compare with the budget for TCR?
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 10:47 (Ref:3786990)   #121
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How does that compare with the budget for TCR?
If my information is correct, the cost of a TCR car is about 150000 Euros, the WTCC TC1 one is something 2 to 3 times higher than TCR ones
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 10:52 (Ref:3786992)   #122
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If my information is correct, the cost of a TCR car is about 150000 Euros, the WTCC TC1 one is something 2 to 3 times higher than TCR ones
(he was asking the budget to run the car in WTCR compared to the old TCR international series, not the budget to buy the car).

i guess the budget will be more because of 3 races not 2 each weekend plus the big entry fee.
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 11:46 (Ref:3787002)   #123
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Why the big entry fee increase? Because FIA fatcat egos, and FIA likes money?
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Old 14 Dec 2017, 14:18 (Ref:3787029)   #124
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looks like Honda is in for the next year, I'd assume Jas will operate as a "non-works" team
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It looks like unless they get good backing it's gonna struggle to get good numbers
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