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19 Nov 2005, 01:31 (Ref:1464655) | #1 | |
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Pit Stops -health and safety
Over the next two weeks im undertaking a short study of formula One pit stops, to then produce a health and safety manual for a pit stop during a race.
The manual will identify risks and offer procedures as to how to reduce these risks, a method statement will be included along with a discussion about the conflicting objectives of winning races and the temptation to cut corners on safety. Everyone is very knowledgeable on the sport here and hence I ask you guys for sources of information which can help me produce this report. fancy that the F1 hater I will post my findings here when complete as a thankyou for everyone who helps me . |
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You should check out what rule exist in motorsport concerning safety. What does it say in the FIA technical and sporting regulations? Even though you seem to be considering F1 pit stops only you can check out the general international and national motorsport rules.
Off the top of my head then there here are some to consider. Moving parts, brake dust, flammable liquid (petrol compared to Methonal perhaps?), long working hours. In addition perhaps a statistical analysis of how many accidents have occured? Good luck, I look forward to reading your findings. What is this for? |
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19 Nov 2005, 09:37 (Ref:1464803) | #3 | |
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It must be reminded that a pit lane is also a workplace.
Thus the same Occupational Health and Safety laws could apply should anything severe happen. |
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Not wishing to run over too much old ground,surely the absense of any cars in the pit lane during a race will significantly make "pit stops" safer.
I suppose then the drivers won't be too happy about all that fuel behind their backs and will no doubt have something to say about it. Motor racing is a dangerous sport,but who should it be dangerous for? |
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19 Nov 2005, 13:05 (Ref:1464901) | #5 | |
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thanks for your input guys,
[QUOTE] What does it say in the FIA technical and sporting regulations? Even though you seem to be considering F1 pit stops only you can check out the general international and national motorsport rules. [QUOTE] where can I source this information? Any links or sources of info will be of great help [QUOTE] In addition perhaps a statistical analysis of how many accidents have occured?[QUOTE] This to me is a good idea, how can I go about collecting the data though? |
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I'd start with the FIA web site for rules you can find both the technical and sporting regs on there. I'm pretty sure there is an associated foundation that contains safety data. Other than that you need to just hit the internet and use the search engines.
As for F1 pit stops, consider the speed limit in an F1 pit lane which is faster than you would find for other car racing disciplines. Also add in that a F1 pit lane is very secure so you have little danger from "punters" which is very different to a normal endurance pit lane where "punters" cause a significant added risk. Ditto for media - a F1 pit lane very rarely has photographers in it unlike a normal endurance pit lane. Also team personnel are restricted from being in the pit lane unless they are part of the pit stop crew or are on the wall. They are also discouraged from crossing the pit lane during a race which helps with general safety. Marshals are also pretty well forbidden from crossing the lane unless it is necessary. All these things actually make a F1 pit lane safer than an endurance pit lane IMO. |
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send me pm please 78 - I may be able to help (possibly partially fund) this research
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22 Nov 2005, 17:37 (Ref:1467650) | #8 | |
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I have found so far three pit stop fires to of occurred in F1, these were once in 94 and twice in 95 with Pacific and some one else.
I would also like to count the number of near misses, I havent yet come accross any accidents in the last 15 years of changing tyres. can any one help here please |
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Pit stop fires -
1994, Benetton, German GP 1995, Jordan, Belgian GP 1996, Ligier, Argentine GP 2003, Ferrari, Austrian GP 2004, Minardi, Italian GP 2005, Toyota, Spanish GP; Minardi, Japanese GP |
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Add to that,pit crew injured by incoming or outgoing car.
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Thank you for all your help so far guys, im now after a bit more information, this being all accidents to occur during a pit stop, these being things like people run over, I need the race it occured at and year, and as far back as 1990. thanks
So far my research shows there are 23 people working on the car during a pit stop, this number could be reduced hence reducing numbers at risk plus the biggest issues is with regards to refueling being so close to the hot exhaust. my report needs to be completed by week on friday. |
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Umm Team78 you need to be getting this data from official sources not from a bunch of people on a web site. We could no doubt quote you the incidents that are seen on the TV but there are more incidents that occur that either aren't picked up by the cameras or are just not shown on the TV. These incidents are likely to be the smaller ones but they should form part of the statistics that you are quoting otherwise the conclusions that you come to will be flawed.
Have you tried the FIA I'm pretty sure they collate all this data - it is certainly collected at race circuits. |
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It's only a school project, I assume. The teacher probably won't have the specialist knowledge to be rigourous. |
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Your teacher will probably be looking for you to list some if not all of your sources of information.This will show that while you may not have every incident that has occured, those you have given detail of are genuine and checkable.
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So far I have 19 incidents since 94 recorded and the last fatality in a pit stop back in 1981Belgian gp when a guy was run over.
6 are fires, 4 are cars pulling of too early, 4 are braking too late, 1 car collision. can any one think of incidents in 98, 99, 01, 05 thanks |
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The Belgian death was in qualifying - a mechanic fell into the path of a car in the pitlane, it wasn't a pit stop. |
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Thanks for being more specific though as I had it down as occuring during a race |
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After this you might look at Bull Fighting?
I have to think this is a joke. Are we really teaching this c--p to our kids? If this is really necessary I have to wonder how the human race survived over recent decades before the nanny state evolved to its present anal level. |
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No Incident Date Description TEAM Number injured desciption of injury
1 Belgian gp 1981 Mechanic driven over Arrows 1 fatal after stepping backwards 2 San marino gp 1994 Wheel fell of moving car Minardi 4 x mechanics serious-hospital x4 3 Germany gp 1994 Large fire Benneton 2 Minor Burns 4 Belgian gp 1995 Fire Ferrari 0 5 Belgian gp 1995 Fire Jordan unknown 6 1995 Fire Pacific unknown 7 Argentine gp 1996 Fire Ligier unknown 8 European gp 1996 car pulls of to early Arrows 1 hospital 9 Luxemburg gp 1997 mechanic run over Ferrari & 1 Brusing to shoulder Tyrell 10 Spanish gp 2000 driver signalled to leave Ferrari 1 Seriously injured too early 11 US gp 2000 refueler run over by car Minardi 1 Brusing to ankle braking to late 12 US gp 2000 Mechanic run over by car Minardi 1 Brusing to ankle braking to late 13 Spanish gp 2002 Refuller run over after Williams 1 Minor injury driver given signal to leave 14 French gp 2003 Driver signalled to leave Mclaren 0 no one hurt too early 15 French gp 2003 Car collides with another Ferrari & 0 Jaguar 16 Spanish gp 2003 Driver overshoots pit box Jaguar 1 Minor cuts, bruises (testing) & concussion 17 Austria gp 2003 small fire Ferrari 0 18 Spanish gp 2004 Over shoot pit box Williams 1 scale of injury brake failure hit jack man unknown 19 Italian gp 2004 large fire Minardi 0 none 20 Canadian gp 2004 Driver runs over refuller Jordan 1 minor injury 21 Spanish gp 2005 Fire Toyota none none 22 Japan gp 2005 Fire Minardi none none |
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