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9 Sep 2008, 07:43 (Ref:2285331)
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Shall I explain... Punter - no ability to sell photographs or to use them for anything other than personal use. Technically, that could mean that even publishing them on a website is not permitted although it is not something that the rights' holders* go after (AFAIK). Accredited media - can use photographs for media purposes only whether paid or not, so effectively for editorial use. This is likely to permit publishing on websites as long as there is no commercial gain**. What the accredited media bod cannot do under the terms of their Agreement with the rights' holder is sell their photographs for anything other than editorial use, so not for advertising purposes or in the form of prints etc. This requires a separate commercial licence which the rights' holder will grant you on payment of the relevant sum of money. Some notes.....*"rights' holders" - by default this will be the Circuit as it's their land..but some series will include a rights transfer in their contract with the circuit. This is something that should be checked if it's relevant to you. You should also bear in mind that some images, logo's etc. may be subject to their own commercial rights and that the rights' holders of these images etc. may want to have control over how and where these images are used. **T'internet....media law relating to the internet is still an evolving beast, you'll note above that I say "publishing on websites as long as there is no commercial gain" - in some instances it will be clear whether there is commercial gain or not but in others it might be less clear cut, I wonder, for instance (and I'm not picking on them!) where something like DSC stands when it's a subscription service - commercial gain or not? I could probably argue it either way (depending on who was paying!). I'm not entirely up to date but I don't think that there has been much substantive case law in this area and it's something that we'll see become less grey over the next few years. Happy to be corrected if I'm shockingly out of date and things have changed... I'd still recommend the article that John Brooks linked to a little while ago about changes in rights being granted in other sports and the effect that this is likely to have on the "media". I don't have the link on this PC though. Last edited by Piglet; 9 Sep 2008 at 07:45. |
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Thank you Piglet. So that means drivers, teams and sponsors etc will not be able to buy any photos from a race meeting no matter how many photographers are trackside unless one of them has a commercial licence. Is that likely?
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Which brings us back to that simple question Snapperjack asked before... How do you know which photographer you can buy prints from?
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10 Sep 2008, 08:09 (Ref:2286282)
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Some circuits are quite tolerant but most that run Internationals are very protective. One guy wrote a book about Le Mans a few years back and the ACO got a court order and had them all burnt! And that was for just using their logo! Its my understanding it has nothing to do with accreditation but copyright read the back of the ticket that gets you into the circuit and for media you normally sign away any rights to images as you agree your accreditation!
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How long does the circuit or promotor etc hold the rights for any photo taken at a track?
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27 Sep 2008, 08:23 (Ref:2298828)
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28 Sep 2008, 11:44 (Ref:2299428)
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Hi, this is a bit off topic and apologies if i've missed the same question on another thread..... What are the other restrictions imposed by the circuit owners/event promoters regarding 'rights' and what the non acredited snapper may or may not do with photos taken from the spectator side of the fence ? eg non commercial uses such as image hosting websites, photo competitions etc. what about inclusion in a charity calendar ? Is it just a matter of whether money is being made from it ?
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18 Aug 2009, 11:31 (Ref:2523620)
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Lots of people post pictures on websites for pleasure and not gain, & if everyone that used a photo from a race circuit contacted them for permission to do so then they just could not cope with the administration this would create. If it were for a charity calendar then it would perhaps be courteous to inform them of your intentions!
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18 Aug 2009, 20:08 (Ref:2523919)
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Having read all the above, what rights do I have as a driver to object to my picture being taken. I have never seen anything in application forms saying I have no right to object....
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If you object to having your photo taken as you race, my advice is stay in the pit garage with the doors shut.
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I just got back from a 5 day interstate trip to Melbourne (i gotta make back a bit of dosh here) and sold 4 images as posters, 1 order wanting 12 ! and the rest of images belong to the race category for their website. (i keep copyright). So for the weekend i came out about $500 up (and a trip away from the mrs )So - yes we "can" make money. It's all about becoming known within the groups rather than shooting everything. cheers Brendan -Torquing Media - |
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Is that $500 up for 5 days after direct costs?
What about indirect costs - equipment depreciation and so on? Or are they factored in? Do you have to declare the time away from the Mrs as a benefit in kind for tax purposes?  If so I assume it wuld be based on assessed value - I see a huge tax bill looming ..... 
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Just seen this thread...
I had an instance once where I was hauled over the coals for shooting for a website which allowed some photos to be purchased, despite my photos obviously not being for sale. Had to then go and prove that I also didn't have a site set up that had the ability to sell photos... Also know of another site who got yelled at because a photographer that previously was accredited with them went and broke the rules (sold photos to the public without the correct permissions) even though that person was no longer with the publication... I also remember reading the conditions for a certain series for one event I did - I couldn't post the photos within like 7 hours of the session conclusion... As for anyone in a pit lane or other place with a reasonable expectation of being photographed - its all fair game. If you don't want your photo taken, don't be a driver/team manager/have a job that others want |
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What a sorry state we are in.
Gosh I hadn't realised that club motorsport had got into such a dire place. As an old fart, I remember blagging my way into the 1975 British Grand Prix (I think), then being able to borrow the latest Canon body A1 and 300 lens for a days shooting. That was a good move as I have bought Canon ever since.
I blagged my way into the next 3 held at Brands. I will not keep this too long but the last time I went to Silverstone for a GP I was accredited through a Sunday mag. They wouldn't give me a trackside pass so I returned it. They made a complaint to the editor. I said, if I wanted a jolly I would say thank you and sit around, however I was there to do a job and that pass did not allow me to do it. I also did some football until they started this owning the rights malarky. I cannot stand the fact that they have done this to the grass roots stuff. Where will this madness end? |
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