SBR and LMS engine deal.

ford boy · 1 Mar 2004, 03:02 (Ref:889690)

It is now official that SBR will supply and service engines for LMS. Great news for all concearned especially LMS, should boost their performance to another level.

Release below :
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The Tool Man · 1 Mar 2004, 05:20 (Ref:889727)

Good Stuff!!!!

Arai GP5 · 1 Mar 2004, 07:17 (Ref:889769)

A very NASCAR like deal. Ford teams building engines for other Ford teams.

Wonder if the LMS cars will now blow the signature SBR black puff of smoke on gear changes?

tiko · 1 Mar 2004, 07:36 (Ref:889779)

Can't see any losers out of this one. With Winterbottom contracted to SBR for 5 years they had to put him somewhere. Larkham looking for a performance boost including new star driver. Larkham takes Winterbottom onboard and SBR do their engines. Good deal for all, heres hoping SBR attach some setup sheets next to the engines!!

**GTRMagic** · 1 Mar 2004, 11:17 (Ref:889937)

Setup sheets wouldnt work, the cars use a different damper package... and the shells are suffciently different to suggest outright settings of components on setup may not apply either, although general principles are largely immutable

Mattracer · 1 Mar 2004, 11:26 (Ref:889943)

Sauber is to Ferrari as LMS is to SBR??

**GTRMagic** · 1 Mar 2004, 11:28 (Ref:889944)

Not quite, the 2004 LMS BA isnt a 2003 SBR car with blue paint...

Mattracer · 1 Mar 2004, 11:31 (Ref:889947)

No it isn't but it's the engines that get the attention aren't they?

**GTRMagic** · 1 Mar 2004, 11:39 (Ref:889953)

No better or worse than sourcing them from 888 or BJR.... not sure any of the others would be worth touching

Also a Believer · 1 Mar 2004, 12:13 (Ref:889985)

This would seem like a deal made in heaven for Mr Wintebottom.

Conrod Kieron · 1 Mar 2004, 12:46 (Ref:890029)

Quote:

Originally posted by GTRMagic
No better or worse than sourcing them from 888 or BJR.... not sure any of the others would be worth touching

I dunno, Ellerys engines are quite tidy!

Whats the word on LMS shells GTR, are they Behags?

Come to think of it, who is still running Behags and was/is there a common problem with them that was being worked on?

**GTRMagic** · 2 Mar 2004, 08:54 (Ref:890994)

The Ellery engines are certainly good, but to scale up supply for 2 additional cars would be very difficult for a small team.

The LMS cars commenced life as Beehag-prepped shells, with a suitable amount od LMS-inspired redesign to fix some of the inherent issues they discovered after building the first BA.

Most teams running Beehags have developed significant changes to the shell in the cage area to improve chassis stiffness...

Grimace · 2 Mar 2004, 10:17 (Ref:891072)

Intresting to see how the LMS cars go compared to the SBR cars!!!

Also a Believer · 2 Mar 2004, 21:03 (Ref:891684)

I think theys hould be competitive, the success of Mark depends on it.

overflow · 3 Mar 2004, 07:11 (Ref:892075)

M.Winterbottom is the dark horse this year...I think he will surprise a lot of top teams...maybe CH10 might have to interview him rather than *THE NOSE* for once..

Also a Believer · 3 Mar 2004, 07:19 (Ref:892082)

They have actually invested in new wide angle lenses for the nose this year so expect more of the same

Onlooker · 3 Mar 2004, 07:23 (Ref:892084)

Should be good for both camps as now with 4 cars running the engines the development can move ahead at a competitive rate whilst allowing SBR to divert money to other areas of the car.LMS can tick the box marked engines as needing little effort in the development area and concerntrate on other things on there cars.
Good stuff all round.Larko did pretty well last time he had an aliance with SBR so fingers crossed

**GTRMagic** · 3 Mar 2004, 07:59 (Ref:892097)

Actually I count 5, including the Decina Konica car as well...

Onlooker · 3 Mar 2004, 08:01 (Ref:892100)

Do they have to comply to the new engine rules re internal weights

Conrod Kieron · 3 Mar 2004, 08:31 (Ref:892116)

On the Mark Noske chat last night, he said the 00 Motorsport engine last year used lighweight components but when they we purchased, they had 2004 spec internals so I would assume the Blueprint spec is now in force?

**GTRMagic** · 3 Mar 2004, 11:58 (Ref:892256)

Blueprint engine spec is in force in the main series... Konica is still "run what you brung" with a grandfather clause in place... other than the requirement to update to the M48 MoTeC like the main series, they can still run lightweight bits....

Also a Believer · 3 Mar 2004, 12:06 (Ref:892273)

When do thay have to be M48 by.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Mar 2004, 12:38 (Ref:892298)

It was supposed to be in place for the first round of the series.... I presume that happened. Its in the new for 2004 Ops Manual

Dirk · 7 Mar 2004, 02:03 (Ref:896434)

I see that the new engines at LMS has made a huge difference. It was good to see Bargs right up the front in the three races.

**GTRMagic** · 7 Mar 2004, 05:35 (Ref:896565)

The engines are substantially better than the previous versions. I dont think there are any slugs in the field any more.

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