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The discussion was on the current professionalism of the GT3 class as it currently stands in Australia. And I agree, we would not see such sporting rules in Supercars.
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We were saying that GT3 costs over a season would probably be cheaper than Supercars taking into account purchase/build costs added to running/maintenance. So again a rational discussion has been destroyed...... |
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Seeing as though you are the one who started this with your comments, you ought to know what the numbers if you were looking for a serious discussion as opposed to yet another diatribe as to why one series it better then the other? |
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already given the numbers for purchase of vehicles, DRT dragged the costs of running things into it, he didnt know the numbers either |
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About time we had a hang-$#!+-on-everything thread.
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I just don't understand this one or another mentality I'm sorry why can't we just love both categories lol
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I think it's a real pity. There is no Jaguar for example, so that is a perfect opportunity for a Tickford or Supashock or Harrop to develop a F-Type GT3 then construct 20-30 examples per annum and flog them off around the world. Likewise it would be great to see Australian companies producing cars on a large scale for TCR or Formula 4. Huge missed opportunity to not use an Australian made F4 chassis. |
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It would have been a lot of fun to see 2000cc as the elite Australian category from 1993 up to 1999-2001 odd. Just think Bob Holden Toyota Carinas, Winfield Nissan Primeras, Mobil 1 Cavaliers, Valvoline Alfa Romeos, Peter Jackson Alfa Romeos, Shell FAI Mondeos, Orix Audis, Coca-Cola BMWs, Peugeots, Volvos... all going wheel to wheel -- bliss! A certain missed opportunity to not adopt the booming British 2000cc regulations and keep Nissan happy and racing at the front of the field! Not to mention de-turboed Sierras being a good package for privateers too with their lovely Cosworth motor. Not to mention another privateer favourite, E30 M3s reduced to 2000cc --- now an all-time classic car and highly, highly desirable and collectable! Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 16 Jun 2017 at 14:48. |
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If Supercars switches to GT3 probably - except for Bathurst - I will lose interest.
It becomes just a GT series like there are many. |
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Then we have the cost of developing such a car and if you want to sell 20-30 per annum then you must have customer support like the three big Germans have now because you might have a good car but if you don't have the after sales support then you wont sell the car in great numbers. Have a look at the Callaway Corvette. Great car, it wins in GT Masters which is one of the most heavily contested national GT series in the world and yet there no cars elsewhere. Some of that is down to the production capacity of the team which is quite small but they don't have the resources to support teams all over the world. And thus people buy a Merc or an Audi instead. Which is a crying shame as the Corvettes a good car. Those Aussie companies you mention don't have the resources or capacity to do that. And basing one's self in Australia is not helpful when the majority of your market is in Europe I get that. Part of the draw of Supercars for me is those cars are unique, they're big and loud but that appeal is waning with the direction the category is taking. The Mustang ticks all those boxes and if it doesn't appear then its a missed opportunity for the category, it really is. |
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But a forward step from no national tin-top series at all.
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agreed, But i woudl expect will see a massive reduction in interest in a national tin top series, from the current levels
I would expect around 10 seconds a lap slower at bathurst, i think we would kiss goodbye to almost all government funding |
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I would say that was far from certain. A gun marketing campaign could sell that series easily particularly with the stars in the series. I'd love to see demographic figures in particular ages of hardcore fans over the past two decades. I get the feeling the series has waned in popularity with the millennials, I think selling of the TCR formula wouldn't be as hard as you might imagine, the cars are pretty relatable with that generation.
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What are peoples reasons why TCR would be a more suitable replacement than GT3 for example?
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However they target themselves as a entry level touring car series, more of an improved production series, thus , IMO, they would be a significant backwards step |
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Now that this discussion has arrived in a suitable place it becomes worth participating.
A number of concepts for the future of motor racing in Australia confront us, and I really don't think there is a single class magic bullet. The current V8s provide close, bumping, tyre rubbing racing which has great appeal for many. For instance whole field in Darwin covered by about a second in lap time. While the TV package and production is great the FTA exposure has all but disappeared. For some of us it has passed its use by date because: a) The cars are no longer relevant, b) It is over-exposed because it presents a whole program which is basically the one thing- V8s, Dunlop series, Utes, Touring car masters, Porches. c) No manufacturer involvement d) Has little "glamour factor" in the eyes of the millennials. e) It has become too costly for the teams and RECs have become too restrictive like F1 I personally can't Supertourers, Production touring, TCR, or GT3 being the answer on their own. TCR, would get manufacturer involvement, have some relevance for millennials, and cost less but down on performance. GT3, has some following, has a glamour factor and some manufacturer involvement. Production touring may or may not get manufacturer suport but lacks glamour and down on performance. Supertourers ???????? I think the answer is to come up with a mix that includes non tin top classes, and that the mix should be varied across meetings. Probably the most important ingredient could be a proper open wheeler formula, probably the proposed F5000, that is identifiable as Australian. With no domestic industry does Gen 3 make any sense as a re-skinning exercise? By the way if we wanted REAL market relevance we would be racing crew cab 4wd Utes or soft road SUVs! Last edited by Oldtony; 17 Jun 2017 at 03:02. Reason: Add 4wd/SUV |
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TCR cars would not be quicker than a Supercar through corners
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The cars have been designed and engineered to produce these sorts of results, but the result is that nobody can pass and this brings in gimmicks like gumball tyres, mandatory pitstops in short races and so on... |
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