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I listen and take into consideration comments from some of the more "clued in" current and former professional drivers, who have mostly said Vettel's crash was due to him just being a little too eager on the go faster pedal. And the dripping coolant (which was dripping from the very back of the car onto a WET track anyway), had no effect on him losing control. The track was already WET. And Vettel was on INTERMEDIATE tyres for the WET conditions. As I said, the coolant was dripping from the very rear of the car anyway - as you can see in the photo below. Adding to that Vettel took the wrong line out of T3 before he spun. Any half decent racing driver knows to stay off the racing line in wet conditions as it's got no grip, specially on cold tyres. But Vettel didn't. Have a look at the video below and look at the line Hamilton took compared to Vettel out of T3. https://youtu.be/czHPM0UjLNc?t=3m1s Quote:
Again, just in case you missed it. The weather was DRY, and Ricciardo was on slicks. Bit of a different situation I would think to Vettel who was on a WET track and with wet weather tyres (??). But then again, I'm not as "clued in" as you so.. no point continuing really. Have a good day. |
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To recap, there's a gaping hole in front of vettels rear tire, in roughly the same place as ricciardos. There is nothing in that pic that shows fluid coming from behind the tire. There is a line of something, could be fluid, could be a street line, appearing from directly behind vettels rear tire. But Vettel sucks and ricciardo doesn't, so.... |
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There is fluid dripping from the rear of VET's car, that can be seen in the picture. But what seems to be ignored by certain posters is that the aerodynamic effects will collect fluids that did not hit the tyre and pull it towards the rear of the car.
So the very likely thing that happened is that fluid got on the tyre as well as was dripping from the rear of the car. |
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The same fluid will also be swept to the rear of the car which was then visible coming from further rearward also. Was the Ferrari depositing fluid in front of the rear wheel? - Yes Did this cause Vettel to spin? - Possibly Did anyone else get a snap loss of rear traction? - No So I would suggest that it is highly likely (but not certain) that the leaking fluid contributed to the spin. |
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Exclusive: I just phoned Seb. He told me that he spun because of the shock wave created by Max, Fernando and Kimi colliding. It was so powerful he just couldn't stop going backwards after the impact.
So there we are, the spin had nothing to with the shredded sidepod, broken suspension, fluids from any exposed orifice or a heavy right foot. ... Back in reality, does it really matter why Vettel spun? He'd had a clout off his teammate in the T1 chaos, his car was dramatically broken, and he crashed as a result. Or maybe not Last edited by Greem; 19 Sep 2017 at 16:02. |
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Ah, that explains it........
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I have just one question about the incidents. there's people enough round the internet to point fingers in all directions.
what I've been wondering, since sunday, is why the drivers were happy to just let the cars roll on after the contact. Sure, you could argue that the first incident, Max en Seb didn't have sufficient damage to want to stop, and Kimi had to much to do so, but still, it was weird. The second spin on his own though, Seb seemed more concentrated on talking to his pits, than on having the car stop. It basically rolled backwards into traffic and across the track. Lucky it's mostly slow corners, and the drivers have plenty good reflexes, this could have created another incident. You'd think he'd stomp the brakes? It seemed so silly to me, I started to actually think it might have been something wrong with the car that caused it to properly stop? |
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That is what I thought as well. Besides, that way he could get out of the way and protect (what was left of) the car.
Remember he saved his championship 2012 by going backwards and not stopping and spinning around immediately when he spun at the start in Brazil. So it is not something he has not done before. |
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Does anyone remember the crash at the start of the 2003 German GP? Ralf just like Seb moved into a space that was occupied by two. In both cases, it was Kimi who was the most squeezed out
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I have to say that my thought was that he was allowing it to roll backwards as it was rolling away from the exit of the corner, allowing the other drivers more time to see and avoid him.
In terms of the spin that put him in that position, I've not seen anything to confirm it, but my thoughts at the time were that in addition to the leaking fluid onto the rear left tyre, was their damage to the wheel/drive shaft as well, that maybe broke under acceleration leaving all the power going to the right wheel, which may have helped the spin the car quicker. |
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Anyone read the reports in the Italian press in the last few days? Almost all of the blame going towards Vettel and Ferrari for the "racing incident". Yes that's right, the Italian press is blaming the Italian team and it's Italian driver. Sacrilegious, but true.
La Gazzetta dello Sport, Italy's leading sport news, had this to say on Vettel (translated): Quote:
Corriere dello Sport and Tuttosport, two of Italy's other leading news media, have also pointed the blame at Vettel and Ferrari as a team. Even asking how come Vettel was not at least reprimanded for his actions. Which is a good question. And yet, we have Ferrari's response on twitter below. What a load of prancing horse ****! To which, the F1 world responded angrily. A couple of guys in the paddock had this to say: http://news.sky.com/story/singapore-...storm-11041663 Still don't understand how and why Vettel escaped with not even a reprimand for his actions! I can imagine anyone else in his place would not have escaped with no penalty whatsoever. First Baku, and now this. Last edited by Adam43; 23 Sep 2017 at 06:05. Reason: Auto censor dodge. There is reason for the auto censor. No other action. |
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how boring is all of this, it was just a crash!!!
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