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15 Oct 2012, 09:46 (Ref:3152077)
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Vettel to Ferrari in 2014?
What's going on here then? Several sources including James Allen have said that they are convinced he's off there (this isn't the same source as the Perez to Ferrari move I hope).
But what's going on with Ferrari's philosophy? Are they changing approach? This is bad for Alonso what with Vettel taking points off him (even if he doesn't beat him). Or could Alonso retire? (Doubt it). According to this http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19941541 Alonso vetoed Hamilton. I know he fears Hamilton more because he refers to Hamilton as his most formidable competitor (I shouldn't even mention his 2007 reaction). Normally I wouldn't start these speculative threads, but this is such a curious one, I thought I'd focus the discussion into one place. |
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15 Oct 2012, 10:05 (Ref:3152092)
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I find it curious as the last time Ferrari had 2 top line drivers was probably Prost and Mansell and that is over 20 years ago. It will take a big change in their managment to deal with the challange of two multiple WDCs in the team as both will want to be top dog.
As an aside who will replace Vettel at RB as I doubt the STR drivers will be ready. Webber could stay on for continuity. The only top liner I see being available next year is Kimi, or possibly one of the young guns may step up to the top table. |
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15 Oct 2012, 10:13 (Ref:3152093)
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I think it's plain daft personally..
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15 Oct 2012, 10:15 (Ref:3152095)
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Alonso probably feels he can take Vettel on quite easily.
It would be an odd move for Vettel. He has it all at Red Bull. Best car, best team, lapdog teammate. Why move? To stave off boredom perhaps? |
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15 Oct 2012, 10:26 (Ref:3152101)
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I wonder has a possible move anything to do with the new engine rules?
The rumour about Vettel going to Ferrari has been around for a good while now. I wonder was there something else going on in the background for him to consider the move. |
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15 Oct 2012, 10:28 (Ref:3152102)
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If Vettel wins this year it'll be the second time in three years Ferrari barely get beat to the title. It's the best car/driver combo on the grid and the man who designs the car aint movin nowhere. Easiest way to break the combo would be to sign Vettel. I'd do it.
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15 Oct 2012, 10:29 (Ref:3152103)
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Maybe Alonso didn't block the move for Vettel because at the time he was leading the championship by absolutely miles, thought his third title was in the bag, he gets a season (2013) driving around as triple F1 champion and retires while he's still got plenty of youthful vigour and vitality to enjoy the rest of his life?
So Vettel may be his replacement, rather than his teammate? |
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15 Oct 2012, 10:34 (Ref:3152108)
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15 Oct 2012, 11:06 (Ref:3152127)
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It is a slightly curious move given that Ferrari have long been associated with employing a driver, who is the clear team leader (although perhaps Massa bucked this trend in '08). I can't see Alonso retiring yet, but perhaps he feels that he will have the measure on Vettel. Plus, by 2014 he would four years at Ferrari, which is perhaps slightly different from McLaren, where ist was Hamilton who had spent many seasons building relationships with the team.
From Vettel's perspective, a move to Ferrari would be an opportunity to prove he can win a championship in something other than an Adrian Newey designed car, plus beating Alonso would perhaps enhance his reputation. It'll be interesting as to who takes Vettel's Red Bull seat. |
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15 Oct 2012, 11:38 (Ref:3152134)
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15 Oct 2012, 11:39 (Ref:3152135)
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For some reason I don't really understand, I don't believe that Vettel is a "finished product" yet (as opposed to Kimi, who is a Finnish product).
I don't see him as a proper Number 1 driver. As Knowlesy said up thread, he's got it all at RB - which means all he has to do is drive. He's not, so far as I can tell, in the Schumacher mould, helping to motivate/run the team and providing engineering input into the car's design (although maybe those days are gone now anyway). Sure, he's quick, but right now he's got everything right where he needs it. I'd like to see him have to struggle at least a little, and see how that affects him. If you were to put (say) Alonso, Hamilton and Vettel in a car which was just not quite 100% right I would lay money on Vettel coming off worst. Here's a theory for you though: 3 car teams, which Ferrari seem supportive of. You wouldn't want a single No 1, would you? |
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15 Oct 2012, 11:47 (Ref:3152143)
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Surely we should have a barrage of threads questioning his sanity and saying it's all for the money or that his management are trying to build brand Vettel. How could he contemplate leaving the team that have nurtured him from a young age to go to one where the car is clearly slower than the on he already drives?
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15 Oct 2012, 12:01 (Ref:3152147)
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If Vettel does head to Maranello in 2014, it can surely only be because he thinks works teams will have a significant advantage over "privateers" once the new regulations come in. (Let's remember that a factory team hasn't win the WDC since 2008.)
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15 Oct 2012, 12:04 (Ref:3152149)
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Frankly its probably just Ferrari rumour to try and mess with Vettel and RBR going into the final few rounds on the 2012 season...head to head with Nando. Any disruption they can put in the RBR camp they will .
Also Vettel is all about stats and legacy so unless there are massive infrastructure changes at RBR or they lose key people ... leaving RBR will risk his chance of continuing to rack up the stats Last edited by OZ_HCR32; 15 Oct 2012 at 12:10. |
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15 Oct 2012, 12:54 (Ref:3152182)
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Ferrari are now trying to down play Vettel moving there by saying by saying they don't need "two roosters in the same hen house"
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103462 but they dont deny it. |
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15 Oct 2012, 13:47 (Ref:3152204)
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BBC 5 Live radio have just announced that Red Bull says Vettel is NOT going to Ferrari in 2014.
Update: Vettel will not partner Alonso. “I do not want two roosters in the hen house,” Montezemolo. http://www.gpupdate.net/en/f1-news/2...artner-alonso/ Last edited by Marbot; 15 Oct 2012 at 14:01. |
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15 Oct 2012, 14:02 (Ref:3152221)
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15 Oct 2012, 14:06 (Ref:3152228)
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Since the prospect of him going there now seems extremely unlikely, he need not now worry about saying anything inappropriate were he to visit the Pope.
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15 Oct 2012, 14:17 (Ref:3152240)
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So it is confirmed: Vettel to Ferrari for 2014.
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15 Oct 2012, 14:26 (Ref:3152251)
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Alonso will not agree to that....
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15 Oct 2012, 15:34 (Ref:3152324)
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15 Oct 2012, 15:50 (Ref:3152340)
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its been touched on (perhaps in another thread but i cant remember where i saw it) but how sure are we that Alonso stays at Ferrari in 2014 or if Ferrari/tifosi would be sad to see him leave if there are no titles?
i know Alonso has stated that he will retire with Ferrari but at 33ish in 2014 shouldn't he be looking for another drive/possibly the open seat at Red Bull unless more success is forthcoming. Ferrari unloaded Kimi despite having a contract and they pushed out Schumi both of whom enjoyed more success during their time at Ferrari. totally just speculating but surely with this rumour will there not be more pressure/motivation for Alonso to win either this year or next so if Vettel does come in 2014 they both have 3 WDC? |
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