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8 Oct 2001, 12:23 (Ref:157425)
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Rumour - Ferrari also developing 'heat sensors' ...
... specially designed for rainy conditions to spot stationary Williams cars - with burnout engines!!
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8 Oct 2001, 14:54 (Ref:157490)
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Re: Rumour - Ferrari also developing 'heat sensors' ...
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Go Juan Go !!! 
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8 Oct 2001, 14:58 (Ref:157492)
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Geez...might as well say Williams and Mclaren had fitted parking sensors on their car... afterall, they all seem to stop pretty often out on track...
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8 Oct 2001, 18:16 (Ref:157581)
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 Save these ones for the silly season guys ! It's gonna be tough... |
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8 Oct 2001, 18:34 (Ref:157594)
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8 Oct 2001, 19:43 (Ref:157662)
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Originally posted by Bononi
"Save these ones for the silly season guys ! It's gonna be tough... " Bononi, I disagree. We'll always have the latest David Coulthard "This Year Will Be My Year" article to laugh at and talk about! |
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8 Oct 2001, 20:11 (Ref:157699)
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Re: Re: Rumour - Ferrari also developing 'heat sensors' ...
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YEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWW!!! go go go go go gog og go go go gog og og og gog og go juan |
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10 Oct 2001, 11:15 (Ref:158442)
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what's funny about that?? DC meant it! hehe 
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10 Oct 2001, 11:22 (Ref:158448)
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10 Oct 2001, 13:46 (Ref:158527)
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Finally the year where Ron Dennis realises he's useless and dumps him for Nick Heidfeld when Mika Hakkinen decides he likes to play Daddy to Kimi!!!
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10 Oct 2001, 13:57 (Ref:158535)
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I heard all of the other teams were developing new glasses. Ones that would filter out red.
So they would no longer see the Ferrari's ahead of them and they could think they were actually leading a race for once.
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10 Oct 2001, 14:45 (Ref:158559)
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Whatever the other teams might do, if Ferrari and Schumacher are not able to have the best one they will ask FIA to ban it before it cost them the championship. As usual, FIA will do just that...LOL
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10 Oct 2001, 15:21 (Ref:158577)
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Words of a sore loser.
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10 Oct 2001, 15:28 (Ref:158582)
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"if Ferrari and Schumacher are not able to have the best one they will ask FIA to ban it before it cost them the championship. As usual, FIA will do just that...LOL"
No wonder all the other 21 drivers as well as their respective cars are allowed to compete this year...  JV, DC, JPM, Mclaren, Williams... blah blah
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10 Oct 2001, 15:39 (Ref:158590)
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What about the Beryllium thingy? Ferrari tried for 2 years to use it and when they failed they just asked FIA to ban it. They did. The argument: Dangerous material. Evidence? None.
What about the Emails earlier in the season complaining about Williams’ rear diffuser? Ferrari admitted to pointing the fingers. Just to mention the recent ones. |
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10 Oct 2001, 17:25 (Ref:158647)
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Even I knew Berrylium was dangerous. Way before Ferrari or anyone tried to use it.
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10 Oct 2001, 17:46 (Ref:158661)
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11 Oct 2001, 10:52 (Ref:158992)
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"What about the Beryllium thingy?"
What about it? Hmm...try this. Type "B-E-R-Y-L-L-I-U-M" and "D-A-N-G-E-R-S" in any search engine and tell me what's it about will ya? "What about the Emails earlier in the season complaining about Williams’ rear diffuser? Ferrari admitted to pointing the fingers." Oh? So??? So you think Ferrari should just shuddup and not make a noise, which is their right? Wake up! Tell me Mclaren doesnt mouth on Ferrari. Tell me Ron let Ferrari get away with advantages without even a sniff. Tell me Ferrari is the ONLY team in F1 to "pointing e fingers"? So, what's the logic in pushing all sh*t on Ferrari?How about the fact that Williams repaid that diffuser by getting Ferrari's suspension banned... did Ferrari go whining about being squealed on? Do Ferrari fans go around whinning about Williams? Let me tell you a secret. After every qualifyings, Mclaren has people snapping detailed photos of Ferrari and Williams which are then analysed throughout the night to look for loopholes. If they found any, they keep their find until a critical moment (eg, Ferrari won one-two, Mclaren took 3rd 4th in the race) before making a big fuss... and make good results void. If Ferrari retires, they just keep their find until the next race... while repeating the same thing after the race, quals. And Mclaren isnt the only team to do that... Fact is, others squeal on Ferrari, and Ferrari also squeal on others... live with it... cos we can't do a a** about it! 
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11 Oct 2001, 13:18 (Ref:159064)
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11 Oct 2001, 16:11 (Ref:159136)
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Ferrari does not need high tech people to do the spying. FIA does it for them. Details about third pedals, which are invisible or easy to hide, made their way to Ferrari so they can complain about it. Or "secret" development work by McLaren was deemed illegal before they were able to use it because Ferrari sent a letter saying that "it was not in the spirit" of the regulations and FIA promptly agreed. |
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11 Oct 2001, 17:19 (Ref:159195)
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Yes !!!!! The good old days are back : GT_R X BBKing !!!
Go on guys !! Keep posting. I want to see you both break 1,000 post within the next two months !!! KEEEEP POSTING !!!! 
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11 Oct 2001, 20:09 (Ref:159287)
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Only a complete Shurrari fan would deny that there is/has been any favouritism shown by the FIA in recent years. The brake steer development by McLaren and Jordan is a prime example, as is the *disqualification* at Sepang in '99.
Similarly, why is only the Schumi Sheep that persistantly claim that TGF is maligned... |
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12 Oct 2001, 01:15 (Ref:159484)
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Welcome here Viper. You know who am I, don't you? DR has been so slow lately..
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12 Oct 2001, 10:42 (Ref:159567)
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Hmm...i don't deny FIA have a liking for Ferrari. Since Bernie and Max had been pretty open in voicing their opinion. But to accuse that the FIA bends forward and backward to please Ferrari, TOTALLY disregarding other teams, and being COMPLETELY unfair to the others, only an extreme fan of another loyal team or a guy who just hate to see the red team ahead would wholly assume so.
"Ferrari does not need high tech people to do the spying. FIA does it for them. Details about third pedals, which are invisible or easy to hide, made their way to Ferrari so they can complain about it. Or "secret" development work by McLaren was deemed illegal before they were able to use it because Ferrari sent a letter saying that "it was not in the spirit" of the regulations and FIA promptly agreed." Oh sure... FIA is under Ferrari's payroll huh??? Eddie Jordan and even RON DENNIS had admitted that their teams use photos to spy on other teams...X-files it is not...it seems to be pretty obvious to many, except to some who naively believe it is only Ferrari spy and things...LOL. So I guess its wrong if Ferrari attain information that way huh, when the others could...LOL~ So the brake steer? So the 3rd pedal..? And how did the fact that the Ferraris were called up for inspection after Sepang 1999? An angered Ron (knowing Ferrari's successful appeal) admitted to as much that Mclaren had been pouring stuffs on Ferrari as much as Ferrari do in to them...so what on earth's the big fuss, as if such actions are new to you guys? Com'on its old stuff, and used long ago in F1... And tell me, what did you find out about the "Beryllium thingy". |
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12 Oct 2001, 12:40 (Ref:159621)
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I elaborated already way too often that the FIA misuses its power to influence the game and that in the past in has done so favouring Williams and McLaren and Ferrari at different points in time, and not only Ferrari.
What Gt-R says about the spying is correct, but this is done in an almost intelligence-like professional way by the three big teams and so gradually decreasing in effort and professionalism to Arrows sketchboy and Minardi's polaroid. For the big ones it's fairly easy to get their competitors creations as data in their designing software just from series of photographs taken under different angles. They would be able to make exact external copies of each others cars if they wanted to and even the information they can gather from the internals is very far stretching. And ofcourse this information is used to their own advantage, either by perceiving it rightfully and using it themselves, or by not getting it or not wanting to take the risk and report it - or have it reported by someone more influantial - to the FIA. BAR for instance copied Williams undertray last year, but didn't dare to design their chassis around it as opposed to Williams who designed their 2001 chassis in such a way that could maximize the advantage. In fact BAR decided it was doing Williams more favours than them and they decided it was better if they could get WIlliams to drop the whole thing. They went to see Ross Brawn and just dropped the matter in some chit-chat conversation and Ross eagerly went - as BAR expected - to see Charlie Whiting and made sure it was banned. As for the beryllium thing. It's only hazardous in small particles, i.e. powder form, and that was the reason it was banned from it's use as brake callipers, for which it was perfectly suitable because of it's extraordinary thermodynamic characteristics, from 1998 onwards. The claim that it would be hazardous from crashing cars and therefore ban it's use in cylinderliners for instance, was pretty far stretched and was indeed more of a performance brake on Mercedes. But things like that happen all the time all around the field, all around the season. |
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