Vettel To The Metal. Vettel/Webber/Hamilton incident. - Page 2

safc_fan89 · 30 Sep 2007, 08:19 (Ref:2026580)

I think it's a bit out of order to bash Vettel about this. He made a mistake. He's not the first driver to make an error in such circumstances.

Why wouldn't this race have meant much to Vettel? That's a load of rubbish if ever I heard any.

sizzle · 30 Sep 2007, 08:22 (Ref:2026583)

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Originally Posted by dsg

but Hamilton's restarts in those conditions deserve a bit of the blame.

Couldn't agree more, they bordered on dangerous.

**GTRMagic** · 30 Sep 2007, 08:23 (Ref:2026584)

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Originally Posted by safc_fan89

I think it's a bit out of order to bash Vettel about this. He made a mistake. He's not the first driver to make an error in such circumstances.

Why wouldn't this race have meant much to Vettel? That's a load of rubbish if ever I heard any.

So lets be fair about it.... didnt Mr Vettel also make contact with Mr Alonso earlier in the race? And perhaps contributed to the damage in the sidepods and downforce that could have contributed to the crash?

So Mr Hamilton owes Mr Vettel a beer!

Super Hans · 30 Sep 2007, 08:26 (Ref:2026588)

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Originally Posted by safc_fan89

I think it's a bit out of order to bash Vettel about this.

It's not bashing, it's deserved criticism. Credit where credit's due, he drove a good race. Criticism where criticism is due, he punted himself and his team-mate (of sorts) out of a possible double podium.

stefan · 30 Sep 2007, 08:50 (Ref:2026600)

I don't think we should be too hard on him - or anyone in a race like that. Other people tripped over each other too - and Schumacher famously went into the back of Coulthard didn't he.

I too felt that Hamilton did a lot of bunching maneuvers - and the cynical side of me wondered if it was to out-psych Alonso or to perhaps cause difficulties further back. Still, it was a good drive from him.

Really enjoyed the Massa/Kubica scrap at the end too

Super Hans · 30 Sep 2007, 08:52 (Ref:2026601)

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Originally Posted by stefan

I don't think we should be too hard on him - or anyone in a race like that. Other people tripped over each other too - and Schumacher famously went into the back of Coulthard didn't he.

The other incidents in this race, and the Shumacher / Coulthard incident at Spa, occured under racing conditions, not under the safety car.

Pro Racer · 30 Sep 2007, 08:52 (Ref:2026603)

Hamilton not only owes Vettel a beer for punting Alonso he owes him a beer for punting Webber as Webber was quicker than Hamilton up until the safety car, seems Vettel might get a couple punches from MW and Alonso and a couple of beer's from Lewis.

Dixie Flatline · 30 Sep 2007, 09:35 (Ref:2026620)

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Originally Posted by stefan

I don't think we should be too hard on him - or anyone in a race like that. Other people tripped over each other too - and Schumacher famously went into the back of Coulthard didn't he.

I too felt that Hamilton did a lot of bunching maneuvers - and the cynical side of me wondered if it was to out-psych Alonso or to perhaps cause difficulties further back. Still, it was a good drive from him.

Really enjoyed the Massa/Kubica scrap at the end too

As noted earlier, Schumacher tripped over Coulthard under racing conditions and, further, McLaren told Coulthard to slow down and make way for Michael after Ferrari asked McLaren to let Schumacher through. The trouble was that Ferrari and Michael didn't anticipate that Coulthard would slow down so much.

So, the issue between Webber and Vettel was completely different.

As to whether Hamilton was indirectly a cause of the issue is a moot point. Any other driver in the lead always backs up the pack in order to ensure maximum acceleration out of the last corner and to catch the trailing drivers napping, to a certain extent.

bestfit · 30 Sep 2007, 09:44 (Ref:2026623)

Wasn't TGF put out of Monaco a few years back after a collision in the tunnel while behind the safety car?

cmifsud · 30 Sep 2007, 09:48 (Ref:2026625)

NOT HAPPY JAN!!!

Vettel needs to learn a thing or two after spinning Alonso and then ramming Mark. Mark had every right for showing his emotion and I bet Mr Matricish (spelling) will be having a word to Seb.

This whole incident kind of overshadows the points gain (which are normally great in other circumstances) by DC and Luizzi.

jab · 30 Sep 2007, 09:49 (Ref:2026626)

Vettel was gutted. They spoke to him after the race

Not all his fault. Lewis is partly to blame

OZ_HCR32 · 30 Sep 2007, 09:54 (Ref:2026627)

Montoya?

ozrevhead · 30 Sep 2007, 09:56 (Ref:2026629)

Gutted

That was marks best chance of a win ever - and it may not come again

****ing hell....... did Mark break 100 mirrors or somthing

Nicholosophy · 30 Sep 2007, 10:11 (Ref:2026636)

Another F1 rule is that a percentage of incidents must involve Mark Webber.

lookleft · 30 Sep 2007, 11:00 (Ref:2026657)

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Originally Posted by safc_fan89

I think it's a bit out of order to bash Vettel about this. He made a mistake. He's not the first driver to make an error in such circumstances.

Why wouldn't this race have meant much to Vettel? That's a load of rubbish if ever I heard any.

As you would yet if Webber were to do the same thing to Lewis this board would be in meltdown.

How many race starts has Vettel had?
How many F1 re-starts has Vettel had?
How many laps in the wet (testing or racing) has Vettel had?

Webber's point, eloquently put as it was, stands. These kids look the ducks nuts when they are pushing at 110% if it all hangs together but they simply don't have the experience and do some really, REALLY naff things....

Vettel is not the worse one out there but lets hope he learnt his lesson today.

Despite his huge stuff up ppl are still saying what a great weekend it was for Vettel... that is why the race RESULT doesn't matter when you are 19 and have the world at your feet. Q8, lead a lap, running 3 when crashed out in difficult circumstances... that is what the history books will say.

jab · 30 Sep 2007, 11:04 (Ref:2026662)

10 place penalty for the Chinese GP

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62896

WTF?

Oh I get it, Lewis is completely innocent and perfect in every way and it's the youngster rookie who gets the blame

Why bother? He's in a Toro Rosso - surely that's punishment alone

Ralf's Girl · 30 Sep 2007, 11:07 (Ref:2026665)

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Originally Posted by OZ_HCR32

Montoya?

We're not pinning the blame on him, are we?

I think it was a simple case of inexperience, particularly in wet races - the more experienced drivers know that when the leader effectively takes over as the safety car, the pack will be back up, that's why we don't see them all running into each other. It looks to me as if Vettel was caught out by it - bad luck for both him and Webber, because they were both driving well, but these things do happen.

Super Hans · 30 Sep 2007, 11:07 (Ref:2026668)

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Originally Posted by jab

10 place penalty for the Chinese GP

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/62896

WTF?

Oh I get it, Lewis is completely innocent and perfect in every way and it's the youngster rookie who gets the blame

Why bother? He's in a Toro Rosso - surely that's punishment alone

Crashing into an opponent under safety car conditions is unacceptable and it's only natural that Vettel has been penalised. Why people see fit to turn every incident into a Lewis Hamilton conspiracy is beyond me.

Ralf's Girl · 30 Sep 2007, 11:11 (Ref:2026670)

I think a penalty is the right decision - it was an avoidable incident and those are the collisions that drivers are supposed to be punished for. As a general rule, when one driver hits the back of another it's the driver behind who is considered to bear the majority of the responsibility - Vettel basically admitted that he was paying more attention to Hamilton than the guy directly in front, and that's how it happened. I don't think we'll be seeing him make that mistake again...

Pro Racer · 30 Sep 2007, 11:32 (Ref:2026693)

With MW having such bad luck in F1 ,when he is always putting in a great drive something happens and especially this latest incident where he was assured a podium and possiblly get a win, could the philosiphy of what goes around comes around apply and Mark have a great season in F1?

Chatters · 30 Sep 2007, 11:34 (Ref:2026698)

Vettel finishing 22nd instead of 19th won't help Webber win a Grand Prix...

SkaifeHRT · 30 Sep 2007, 11:43 (Ref:2026710)

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Originally Posted by mjstallard

Indeed, the guy is only young and is very very inexperienced. He'd done bloody well to get that far up the field in the first place...besides, Hamilton said that he aired some concern about Webber's erratic driving behind the safety car

Man this Hamilton kid has got a nerve on him. Look at the extremely dangerous tactics he was using on the restarts and under the safety car and then he has the nerve to criticise Webber? I can only hope that things finally catch up with him and deny this smug rookie the title.

Another Bob · 30 Sep 2007, 11:47 (Ref:2026713)

As Vettel has been penalised 10 grid positions for the Chinese GP, Hamilton should be stripped of his points in this race for his dangerous driving.

I wonder if MW was refering to more then one person when talking about kids in racing cars?

SkaifeHRT · 30 Sep 2007, 11:49 (Ref:2026714)

Yeah, couldn't agree more. He seems to get away with murder.

mjstallard · 30 Sep 2007, 11:50 (Ref:2026716)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=DCnxRymgvvY

ITV's coverage of it all.

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