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18 Jun 2017, 20:54 (Ref:3744976) | #176 | |
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It's a double edged sword. If everything is close then a few tenths here and there start to matter. The Aston was the fastest car over a stint but only by a few tenths. That just makes it worse for the guys in the cars that are a few tenths down. Because it's so close, nobody can make the difference, the only way to win is if you are flawless and the faster guy makes a mistake. I heard from the Porsche GT drivers that they could stay with the Aston in the draft but couldn't do anything else anywhere.
In a sense we're 'lucky' Stanaway decided to bin the 95 otherwise that car would have won quite easily. So the question is now, how did the Aston become the fastest car on Saturday? Pure luck? Playing the BoP game well by being slow but not too slow? The one thing we can know for certain is that it's not because they built the fastest car. And that sucks, in my opinion. |
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18 Jun 2017, 20:58 (Ref:3744977) | #177 | |
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Half second a stint over a full race is only 10-15 seconds over a race distance. You'll lose more than that stopping poorly in the pits, or being blocked by the pit stall in front, or stalling the car. Every pit stop, every strategy call, every slow zone and every backmarker pass. You'll gain more than that just from a good slipstream down Mulsanne. If that's how close the BoP, I'm more than satisfied, and I don't even like Aston!
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18 Jun 2017, 21:11 (Ref:3744979) | #178 | |
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Honestly think the BoP was flawless this weekend and It made for great racing. I personally don't need to read any more into it than that
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18 Jun 2017, 21:19 (Ref:3744981) | #179 | |
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My point is not so much that the BoP was not well done, but that in my opinion there is no way to make up for the inherent flaws of a BoP system, especially in a factory-only class.
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18 Jun 2017, 22:06 (Ref:3744998) | #180 | |
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There's another bop no one has mentioned here. The tires. Dunlop were credited for having the superior hot weather tire and that definitely seemed to be the case.
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But two Dunlop tires exploded. Swings and roundabouts.
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I'm not too bothered by the fastest car not winning. If the fastest car is supposed to win then why should the competitors show up? Why bother with the race at all? I think anyone would agree that BoP kind of sucks, but I'm not sure what the answer is in this class. Would we prefer spec displacement, cylinder count, aspiration, layout, weight, etc? I don't know if there is an in between; I don't think there is and we all know run what ya brung isn't realistic. The BoP was massively better compared to last year and I'll take it. Hopefully it will continue to improve because I think it's probably the best way to go about it. I'm not looking for an argument, just throwing my thoughts out there. Hope you guys have a good day and don't get to caught up in race car rules.
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20 Jun 2017, 17:23 (Ref:3745555) | #183 | |
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The rumours on MWM were that Porsche will certainly be selling this as a customer car, and Ford is a possibility. We could see these cars in the Am class.
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20 Jun 2017, 19:47 (Ref:3745579) | #185 | |
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Yeah Porsche will be, but Ford might be too. But I think that's a big might.
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Ford should, it might make people like them a bit. A bit of goodwill into the sport.
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21 Jun 2017, 02:21 (Ref:3745650) | #187 | |
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The way that this years GTE race panned out, I wonder if the factory teams would benefit from a third or 4th car like Ford.
Porsche lost the 92 due to driver error. Corvette lost the 64 due to loose wheel Aston lost the 95 due to driver error Ferrari lost the 82 and the 71 (or the 51) due to driver error. Seems Porsche, Aston, Vette would benefit from a third car. When you enter the biggest race of the year, where the expressed goal is to win, doesn't it seem sensible to enter a 3rd car just for this race? To enter just two cars seems like you treat it like it's a regular season race, and have done nothing to increase your odds of winning the preferred race of the year. Last edited by Articus; 21 Jun 2017 at 02:47. |
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However, I think the two major barriers are budget and BoP. BoP is hit and miss. Doesn't matter how many cars you bring, if you're on the wrong side of BoP, you're not going to have a chance to win. And these GT teams most likely get smaller budgets. Fielding a third car involves having a spare race-ready chassis, extra parts for repairs, as well as three professionals drivers, and professional personnel. The logical thing to do is what Ferrari does in having two/three teams field their own cars. Not to mention that GT cars are relatively durable. Did any GT cars retire due to mechanical failure? I don't remember any. Maybe the 64 but I don't remember the cause of how they lost the wheel. |
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22 Jun 2017, 13:05 (Ref:3746039) | #189 | ||
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Will the GTE cars still get more power in 2018? I just with they had like 100 hp more; looking at the fast cornering speeds, a little bit more grunt on the straights wouldn't hurt.
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22 Jun 2017, 14:38 (Ref:3746063) | #190 | |
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"Domenicali: “No Rush” for Lamborghini to Step Up to GTE"
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22 Jun 2017, 17:21 (Ref:3746107) | #191 | |
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I think they need to be lighter so their cornering speeds are higher. That was a big complaint from prototype drivers. They sit in the corners and go so much slower it's like a moving chicane. If they had better cornering speeds it wouldn't slow the prototypes so much when they reach them there. And with the same power they have now, they won't be hard to pass on the straights.
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22 Jun 2017, 22:40 (Ref:3746160) | #194 | ||
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The reason why the LMP2s were sped up was to give them more top speed to pass GT cars down the straights. Aside from two high profile driver errors when overtaking GT cars, there were far less incidents/accidents and close calls this year.
I don't exactly agree with giving the LMP2s enough engine power to rival LMP1s in terms of top speeds, but it was a change for the better. As Audi showed against LMP2 cars in the ALMS and Peugeot showed against Audi, it's easier to overtake and defend down a straightaway than in a corner or in braking. |
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BLANCPAIN ULTRACAR GT1 SPORTS CLUB IN PAUL RICARD THIS WEEKEND
Porsche 911 GT1, Maserati MC12 GT1, Lamborghini Murciélago GT1, Ferrari 550 GT1, Corvette C6 GT1, Aston MartÃ*n DB9 GT1 http://ultracar-gt1.com/2017/06/23/b...t-paul-ricard/ |
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If the Lamborghini Urus does for Lamborghini, what the Cayenne did for Porsche....
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13 Jul 2017, 05:32 (Ref:3750852) | #200 | ||
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It is a really pity to have not a GT1 or GTP category today.
The last images of the Aston Martin Valkyrie, show an impressive car and today has no place to compete. its aerodynamic tunnels are grandiose and the V12 Cosworth derivative of Formula 1 engine it should sound awesome. I would like too see this car in Le Mans fighting for overall victory. http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars...-badge-photos/ |
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