2019 VASC Silly Season (WITH POLL)

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Some will tell you that yes, you do need to, to remain market relevant, not sure how that works racing space framed, highly modified cars that don't look like anything you can buy off the showroom floor.

I say, no, it should remain solely a V8 formula; they should rejoice the fact that they are loud and fast, just as NASCAR do.

It is an interesting question, I guess it depends on the goal of the series, Supercars have moved more towards entertainment and thus sticking with v8s mighty be the option

Im certainly not against it staying v8s

[Umai Naa]

Originally Posted by Jam3s

So it is Boost. WAU isn't going to tell a manufacturer wishing to deal with them using their non V8 to bugger off because of a threat from Boost though.

The man at the head of Boost, also has a hand in Monster.

Was also a heavy investor in Super Touring in this country back in the day, and in particular, the Audi-backed effort.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by peckstar

It is an interesting question, I guess it depends on the goal of the series, Supercars have moved more towards entertainment and thus sticking with v8s mighty be the option

Im certainly not against it staying v8s

Ultimately what choice do we have.

Most teams have simply given up on any sort of development program for major components.

Chassis are out sourced as are engines and aero.

Do teams today have the development capabilities teams had in the 80's and 90's?

Could a team like BJR develop and new aero / engine / driveline combination even if they used COTF as the basis of development?

[rich07]

Originally Posted by Umai Naa

The man at the head of Boost, also has a hand in Monster.

Was also a heavy investor in Super Touring in this country back in the day, and in particular, the Audi-backed effort.

Orix?

Bit ironic that someone who dropped big coin into ST is now calling for V8s to stay

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by rich07

Orix?

Bit ironic that someone who dropped big coin into ST is now calling for V8s to stay

How is that ironic. Someone was caught up in a category that never took of in Australia learnt their lesson and doesnt wasnt to go back there. Prweferring to stay with a popular format

That seems logical

[one five five]

Originally Posted by peckstar

it adds to an interesting question though. Do we really need to move away from v8's

What cars will everyone race?

Not even Holden wants to run V8s anymore

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by chavez

Do teams today have the development capabilities teams had in the 80's and 90's?

Yes, and more!

These days parts can be designed *and* optimised^ virtually on inexpensive workstation computers.

^ using ANSYS etc style simulation programs for fluid mechanics and solid mechanics, which very easily tell you where can remove unnecessary material and conversely weak points were you need to add material. Likewise suspension settings could be pre-prepared using simulators like rFactor Pro.

Whereas in the old days I expect things would be designed more from "first principles" (with a slide rule as Mr Crompton would say!) and there would be a lot more physical trial and error via on-track testing.

Of course the more senior engineers may lament new timers who (may) lack common sense and the ability to apply first principles...

I do think the lack of on track testing days (and new tyres) available is a problem though...

[Ospi]

Can't really afford to limit the engine options as they need the gates wide open for new manufacturers to view the series as an option. Personally I feel the impact of the gradual introduction of smaller capacity engines on the viewer-base to be overblown, though the proof will need to be in the pudding there. Besides, Supercars is already looking further into the future at Hybrids. Can't run V8's forever, the series will have to adapt at some stage.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by rich07

Bit ironic that someone who dropped big coin into ST is now calling for V8s to stay

The V6 Ford Mondeos soundly just lovely!

[Mixer]

One for the Whincup haters:
http://v8sleuth.com.au/news/2018/03/...-to-abrupt-end

Jamie had his first DNF in 26,023km of on-track running! That is something exceptional.

136 races without a DNF, 41 above the next highest from any other driver.

Greatest of All Time is a loaded discussion but he keeps racking up stunning numbers.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Mixer

One for the Whincup haters:

Whincup doesn't have haters, he is the best!

[Ospi]

Consistency wins championships, that's why he and his team is and will always be at or near the top.

[Forda]

Originally Posted by Ospi

Consistency wins championships, that's why he and his team is and will always be at or near the top.

As does creative, last-minute rule changes being applied in series-deciders.

[mayhem]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Whincup doesn't have haters, he is the best!

His ex might beg to differ.

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Forda

As does creative, last-minute rule changes being applied in series-deciders.

Nice red herring.

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[peckstar]

Erebus plans to stick with V8 Commodore for 2019

Financially this is a smart decision at least for the short term

[mayhem]

Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?

[Umai Naa]

I know we bang on about market relevance and all of that, but I don't think it's in the best interests of the sport itself, regardless of what Holden wants.

To convert 14 or so ZBs to V6TT is going to be a costly excercise for the teams, not to mention ruffling the feathers of the fanbase.

Sure, a lot of people want to see how it'd compare, but I really don't think it's a great idea in the grander scheme of things.

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?

well said

line ball i reckon

I was a little bit excited about the idea at first, But less now. at least until we get an idea where ford is going (if anywhere)

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by mayhem

Anyone else thinking we're more likely to see the Dragon Motorsport Indy Car program than the V6TT?

888 is likely to run v6tt from Adelaide next year, and true to form, when they have it and win big, the otherwise reluctant fellow Holden runners will likely follow suit at some point soon after.

There will be teething & unreliability problems with v6tt...

[peckstar]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

888 is likely to run v6tt from Adelaide next year, and true to form, when they have it and win big, the otherwise reluctant fellow Holden runners will likely follow suit at some point soon after.

There will be teething & unreliability problems with v6tt...

Only a likely, so 75%

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by peckstar

Only a likely, so 75%

Might be 66 2/3%... RBHRT cars with, Harvey Norman car without. Oops

[Axeman444]

I think it would be good to have both, hopefully some performance benefits for the V6TT at some points at some circuits, while the V8 has some benefits elsewhere. As close as we are going to get to replicate the days of Commodores pulling away from M3's down Conrod/Mountain Straight only to have the M3's catching up again under brakes

[peckstar]

WAU boss keen on Supercars Camaro

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by peckstar

WAU boss keen on Supercars Camaro

That will keep the Traditional V8 fan base, Im down for that !